#80021
09/09/2002 4:39 AM
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#80022
09/09/2002 9:36 AM
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Good questions. Glad you asked them. Not that you're likely to get any useful answers here.
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#80023
09/09/2002 12:24 PM
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I'm no specialist, Nathan, but I'll chip in to get the ball rolling, awaiting correction as always from the better-informed!
1. Surely it would be seen as an original work - otherwise by reductio ad absurdum any work could be taken ultimately as merely as assembly of already-used words!
2. Surely use of quotation is covered by the 'fair use' provisions of the relevant international treaties, and is therefore not reliant on permission being granted?
3. In academic usage the Editor or Editor in Chief would be referred to as the progenitor of the work, although I have no clear knowledge about how the legal position applies - I believe in collective works of this kind the publishing house holds the copyright, and no individual normally asserts their rights as with, say, an imaginative creation.
I shall watch this space with interest!
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#80024
09/09/2002 1:14 PM
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just one question: why should we do this guy's homework for him?! : )
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#80025
09/09/2002 1:22 PM
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Because it would be ego building to show we had the answers.
I am humbled by fact I can't answer any of them.
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#80026
09/09/2002 1:50 PM
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why should we do this guy's homework for him?!
My sentiments perzackley. I really think we should start charging a consulting fee!!
(btw, when's that movie coming out, anyway? It's supposed to star Anthony Hopkins as Minor).
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#80027
09/09/2002 2:28 PM
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Well, he did ask nicely. And if he likes our answers, or even if he just likes us, he's more likely to stay here than to go to some other competing word site which might be run by an erstwhile attorney!
TEd
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#80028
09/09/2002 3:01 PM
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#80029
09/09/2002 3:30 PM
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>Well, he did ask nicely.
hmm... my impression was a cut and paste job. <shrug>
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#80030
09/09/2002 3:40 PM
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You always struck me more as a Minimalist than as an Impressionist, tsuwm.
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#80031
09/09/2002 4:46 PM
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btw, when's that movie coming out, anyway?I dunno...did Anu sell the film rights to his book already! -- AWAD: The Movie -- Now, about the casting... 
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#80032
09/09/2002 4:56 PM
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Now, about the casting...
When's the auditions for the part of Godot?
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#80033
09/09/2002 7:28 PM
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to W'ON and Faldage:
You boys in the back sit down and behave!
At some point, some movie director bought the rights to Winchester's book. Now why don't y'all make y'all'sefs useful and find out about this instead of throwing spitballs?
Meanwhile, lord on high, I don't have anything to contribute except I loved the book and I hope you're a sport about the teasing.
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#80034
09/09/2002 7:55 PM
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Not many people realize that when Tara was on the verge of foreclosure, Scarlett actually said to the court: As Godot is my witness, Ah'll never be hungry again." The suit's still pending.
TEd
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#80035
09/09/2002 10:57 PM
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Luc Besson has bought the rights for a movie, and he thinks Simon Winchester is "too literary" for writing the screenplay... I mean, never mind that he wrote the book...  Mel Gibson has expressed "keen interest" in playing Dr. Murray, which I don't think would be all bad! I forget - does Dr. Murray ever take off his shirt? 
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#80036
09/10/2002 2:33 PM
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=) guys, it's no assignment. I just want to get ahead in our discussions. That's all. I welcome all answers, comments and miscellaneous opinions. Thank you. =)
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#80037
09/10/2002 2:52 PM
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Remember what Thumper's daddy told him?
for 4th - 8th grade. Thumper's Daddy (Walt Disney - in Bambi) said,
"If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all.". ...
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#80038
09/10/2002 3:26 PM
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Did you read the rest of the posts before deciding to delete your original one? This place is a mixture of humor and erudition and a lot of threads get off-track (merrily mixing metaphors).
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#80039
09/10/2002 9:27 PM
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This place is a mixture of humor and erudition...
and gratuitous rudeness from those who should know better. p~
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#80040
09/10/2002 9:46 PM
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And it seems clear our erudition quota has plunged since flamewar.
So we don't have anybody competent to answere highlord's questions.
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#80041
09/11/2002 10:51 AM
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no can answer questions that aren't there, so for the purposes of our collective brow raising:
We're discussing The Professor and the Madman in our
> Intellectual Property Law Class and I was just
> wondering if you could help us clear some of the
> issues enumerated below:
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> 1) For purposes of copyright, is the OED an original
> or a derivative work?
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> 2) If it is derivative work, is the OED considered as
> an infringing work IF the publishing house and say,
> Dr. Murray or Mr. Simpson FAILS to obtain the prior
> consent of the authors of the reference materials for
> the use of their respective works?
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> 3) Who may be treated as AUTHORS of the OED? Sir
> Murray? Dr. Minor? The thousands of contributors? Or
> the Oxford Publishing House itself? All of the
> mentioned? And why should he or she (or it) be treated
> as authors or co-authors?
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> 4) If only one or some of the above-mentioned are
> treated as authors or co-authors, must such author or
> co-authors or OPH acknowledge the contributions of the
> co-authors?
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> 5) Should such acknowledgement, if given, be linked to
> the co-authors' individual contributions?
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> 6) Are the methodology and presentation and
> arrangement of the word definitions
> copyright-protected elements of the OED?
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> 7) Will there be infringement if such arrangement or
> methodology is copied?
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> 8) Will there be different legal treatments arising
> from publishing and distributing copyright works in
> PRINTED COPIES or from MAKING THEM AVAILABLE ONLINE?
> Who should bear the liability for these? The authors?
> the Contributors? the OPH? the website operator? any
> of them or all of them? If only some of them, can they
> be considered direct or merely contributory
> infringers?
> How then should liability be apportioned?
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> 9) If the OED is copyright protected work, will the
> protection for the REVISED and UPDATED version INCLUDE
> portions of the first edition that are carried into
> the latest edition considering that the first edition
> has been published more than a century ago?
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> 10) If such portions of the first edition are no
> longer protected, can anyone copy without infringement
> liability those portions as part of a new dictionary
> competing with the latest OED edition?
>
> We would appreciate your response. It would certainly
> help facilitate our coming group discussions.
>
> Thank you,
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#80042
09/11/2002 12:04 PM
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Thanks, Dody, for resupplying the deleted questions. I was going to ask highlord to please put them back so we could think about 'em some more.
WW
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#80043
09/11/2002 9:26 PM
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Er, Highlord, why'd you delete them in the first place? Just curious.
PS- Thanks from me, too, Dody!
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