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Duh!. The first one.Thanks for the answer to that crucial question!...I've been pondering it for years! 
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It's not a Catch-22 because that would imply that they were castigated if they *did go out with servicemen and also if they didn't.
So we're looking for a synonymn for, or something similar to, double standard...as in they were "held to a double standard".
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Not sure double standard makes it, either. I would infer a double standard to mean that it was OK for, say, men to go out with servicemen, but not for women to go out with servicemen. What we're looking for here is more a "one hand giveth while the other taketh away" kinda thang.
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Damned if you do, and damned if you don't!
yes, its is a classic double standand... women were supposed to befriend and comfort soldiers... but only up to a point... and since the Point is never defined... but is rather based entirely on subjective standards, it make it almost impossible to succeed. and the cost of failure is high. Ain't it grand to be a woman!
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I stick by my earlier post. It's a double standard if one group is allowed to practice a certain behavior but another group is condemned for it. Having an undefined line over which thou shalt not step is not a double standard. It's something totally else.
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but both existed.. "good girls" could often get away with behavior that would have a poor girl black listed--
and never forget, until abortion became legal, rich girls never got in trouble... they took vacations to tropical resorts (where abortion was legal.) or they had doctors who were willing to do "d & c"'s... so it was just hushed up..
middle class girls were shipped off to "private schools" or went to visit someone... and reappeared a year later... it was poor girls who didn't have the money to get an abortion or to go off to a "home for girls" who where seen as having 'loose morals' -- and so too with dating.. rich girls often had more private places to meet men/soldiers. poor girls had back alley's... and there was also a general presumption that a lady wouldn't misbehave, and could be trusted.. but poor girls were presumed to be of looser morals! so there was a double standand..
and it still exists.
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What we're looking for here is more a "one hand giveth while the other taketh away" kinda thang.
Almost a backhanded compliment, only consisting of two parts (the complimentary and the offensive).
Nah, not quite right.
I was thinking double bind, but that's more "damned if you do, damned if you don't". Actually, that's it isn't it?
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How about:
Heads you win, tails you lose.
Not the way its usually put, but seems appropriate.
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Victory Girls were females who went out about every night, dating a lot of soldiers, sailors Marines, sometimes two or even three dates a night! Some "put out" and some did not. They all had the "patriotic" reason.
Patriotutes were prostitutes who tried to pass themselves off as Victory Girls - the difference was apparent when Patriotutes expected money for services rendered.
Victory Girls were generaly middle or poor class gals (as Helen noted) Some Victory Girls were quite nice average females who even ended up marrying someone they dated. Some Victory Girls also took the time to write notes to many of the servicemen they dated on a "final leave."
There was a story around at the time that prostitutes were complaining about the drop in their incomes because so many "Victory Girls" were giving it away for free!
On another note :
In general, in New England, waitressing is a more respected calling than in other parts of the US. IMHO it's because so many waitresses are college kids (the NE is loaded with colleges in a small area) or they are local folks who would not put up with being treated disrespectfully, nor would restaurant managers take kindly to anyone's "interfering with" a waitress.
I noticed a difference in the way waitresses are treated --and how they respond to unwanted advances or remarks -- in New England and outside New England on my several cross-country car trips.
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I noticed a difference in the way waitresses are treated ... in New England and outside New England
So what you're saying, wow, is
You might be a Yankee if...
...you treat waitresses as though they were human beings.
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