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Wordwind, I have some trouble with your use of "integrated" as an adjectival form of "integrity."
Whilst both words derive from the Latininteger, in common use they have slightly different connotations, I think.
It's not too bad when you use integrated as an adjective to describe someone/thing's completeness or unity - although even here, it jars a bit - but when you use it to describe someone's, or some institution's, honesty, it doesn't fit at all.
Both Cambridge and MW agree that integrity can mean either unity or honesty, but that integrate only means unite or complete.
And a slightly belated welcome to Lori, and thanks for an interesting thread.
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Welcome to Lori, too.
Rhubarb,
I did NOT mean that well-integrated should be used in the case of a person. Reread what I wrote. I used the area of architecture--well-integrated elements. And I also wrote that perhaps a person's work might be considered to be well-integrated. But I didn't mean at all that we would think of a person as being well-integrated. In fact, I believe I wrote as much.
When I posted again, I wrote that the only adjective form I could think of that used the word integrity itself was well-integrated--but I certainly never meant that it could be applied to a person--as I wrote in my first post.
Harrumph!
WW
Edit: Here's exactly what I wrote, Rubard:
Now when we speak of a person's possessing integrity, that's something a bit different. I don't think I've
ever heard the phrase "well-integrated" applied to a person. Perhaps to a person's work, but not to a
person possessing integrity
See? I agree with you. I would never think of well-integrated being applied to a person. But there's probably some clever exception to this rule out there if we used our imaginations...
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My apologies - I didn't go back and read whilst I was posting and got carried away, highly exuberated by my own verbosity. 
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It's ok, Rhu! I just like keeping the record straight. And, 'sides, I've been caught so many times here for the same kind of thing, as you now!
And back on topic: What would be good opposites for integrity and its adjective, whatever it is...
WW
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Welcome, lori! Thanks for launching this intriguing column...I'm sure you'll fit right in with all us Merry Wordsters!  Could integral possibly have been an adjectivized form of integrity in an earlier incarnation before it's present sematic became more firmly entrenched? In a side note about integral...I pronounced it 'in-tri-cal for years when I was younger...and was very disappointed when I learned the truth of my error.
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Thanks to one and all for the warm welcome! It's great to have a forum in which to associate with fellow linguaphiles.
I appreciate all of the input received on this issue thus far. I think I am becoming attached to the word "integritive"--it seems to capture the essence of the word without sounding too awkward or contrived, which is important because I'm primarily interested in finding an adjectival form to use in discussing people.
I welcome further notes on this subject! Thanks for your time and words of wisdom...
lori
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Hey, Dr. Bill!
What was your source for that UK usage of integritous? I mean, if it's a reliable source, then lori's friend might be correct that the word is out there and being used by educated people.
Anyway, if you still have the source, please post it here.
Thanks,
WW
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Hey, Dr. Bill!
What was your source for that UK usage of integritous? I mean, if it's a reliable source, then lori's friend might be correct that the word is out there and being used by educated people.
Anyway, if you still have the source, please post it here.
Thanks,
WW
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a standard google yields this http://pages.britishlibrary.net/orange/insurance.htmit's some insurance bloke calling the government black. I'd say it lacks a certain integritabilitudinosity.
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I've never thought of adjectives as propaganda! Could you expound a bit? I did not say the adjectives were propaganda, but rather the noun "integrity", which, etymologically, means no more than completeness. It could be said of a complete..anything  .
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