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I'm curious about the origin of "peas porridge" in the children's rhyme. I know that some like it hot and some like it cold, but I've never known what the stuff is. I suspect that "peas porridge" is a corruption of some other phrase. Can anyone help with this?
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Hi meta. Interestingly, the New Shorter Oxford gives only pease pudding = a dish of dried split peas boiled to a pulp.
I assume that pease porridge is the same thing.
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Allo Meta. Can you write out the rhyme. I have never heard of it.
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Pease-porridge hot,
Pease-porridge cold,
Pease-porridge in the pot,
Nine days old;
Some like it hot,
Some like it cold,
Some like it in the pot,
Nine days old.
pease porridge = pea pottage, or soup
at some point pease was both the singular and plural form and it was a short step from there to the singular pea.
"envision whirled pease!" -anon
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Wow, thanks for your kind replies. A little nagging 30 year old question of mine has now been put calmly to rest. Isn't it funny how such a small thing can feel so edifying? What on earth did we all do before the Internet?
Now, a recipe, anyone?
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In Kent (SE England) the version I knew as a kid was indeed with the variant 'pudding' - going like this:
Pease pudding hot,
Pease pudding cold,
Pease pudding boiled in the pot
Nine days old!
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a dish of dried split peas boiled to a pulp
...and this is something people eat? Still??
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>a dish of dried split peas boiled to a pulp
...and this is something people eat? Still??<
belMarduk, have you ever had Indian food? Have you ever eaten dahl? Pretty much the same idea. The challenge (and if you're lucky the pleasure!) is in the flavouring!
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I'm going to have to give it a try. The only thing I have ever had was a meat wrap (sorry I can't remember the name - too much wine with dinner  ) with curry. Très yummy.
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>...and this is something people eat? Still??
I doubt very much that it moves at all!
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something people eatWhy, do you find the idea of peas repulse-ive? 
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I doubt very much that it moves at all!
Rest In Peas.
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Mav, pease stop it!
...oops, I must sort out my spilling! (Who was it who had too much wine with dinner???)
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Oh, you-all have ap peased my appetite! I think pease porridge sounds repel-lent, mav.
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You're pulling my legume.
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You're pulling my legume.Ohmigawd! Oh, I am howling!  That is GREAT!
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pulling my legume...This one will run and run...
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In reply to:
Oh, I am howling!
..or possibly impulsively ululating
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Pease pottage (which was the version of the rhyme in my youth) is far tastier if cooked with herbs. Herbs also curb the tendency to flatulence that is the usual concomitant to the ingestion of pulses.
The grace that goes before it is, of course, "Thyme in our peas, Oh Lord!"
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Loved your sage pun, Rhub.
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cooked with herbs
Reckon you check the temperature with a basil thermometer.
But if you add vinegar, licking the spoon isn't recommended.
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From "The Annotated Mother Goose", a fabulous book by Baring-Gould, pub. 1962 (look for it used):
A thin pudding made of pease meal. This rhyme is both a riddle and a clapping game, played by children on cold days to keep their hands warm. The first four lines and th final couplet were first published c. 1765 in Newbery's "Mother Goose's Melody," where the editor appended this maxim to the rhyme: "The poor are seldom sicker for want of food, than the rich by the excess of it."
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I think that some of you are thinking of something mushy and green - that would be mushy peas, eaten with fish and chips in the North of England. Peas pudding is yellow and sweet tasting, more like channa dal, as was mentioned. http://recipes.alastra.com/beans-cereals/peas-pudding02.html
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your sage pun
Started a whole pottage industry, so I've herb.
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Started a whole pottage industry, so I've herb.
Hey, Herb--how's it growin'?
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Hey, Herb--how's it growin'?Well, a bit whacky, Jackie. First these geezers uprooted us, and then we thought they'd had a change of heart 'cos they cured us. But then everything went up in smoke, and we were really burned up. However, everything's  now, thanks.
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Thanks for your colourful description, Jo.
Do others find yellow almost unreadable on their screens?
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In reply to:
Do others find yellow almost unreadable on their screens?
Yes, I do. In fact I have to select it to read it.
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>Do others find yellow almost unreadable on their screens?
Yes, that was why I only used yellow for the word yellow because I find yellow very hard to read.
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>Do others find yellow almost unreadable on their screens?
Yes, that was why I only used yellow for the word yellow because I find yellow very hard to read.
That's all white then, Jo. I was green with envy that yellow text could be red by other purple. After your explanation, my blues are gone, and I'll orange my posts to minimize unreadable colors.
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you people either have no imagination, or are just plain yellow -- you shouldn't feel so constrained to stay within the boundaries of black and white! think outside the same old colorless box. 
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tsuwm,
I don't think we're bold enough to try it.
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don't think we're bold enoughHah! we'll see about that!Let's have an AWAD ....................N............I...............B .......A.......... ..........O...R................................W.....! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! Now we just need Jo to get her loons out, and the 70s are back!
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within the boundaries of black and white! think outside the same old colorless box. I have always been given to understand that white is ALL the colours. So this would make the box infinitely colourful.
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All right, who keeps telling us that white is all colours and black is the absence of colours. If I mash all my colours one on top of each other I invariably get a dark black mash - I have never gotten white - even if I melt down wax crayons into completely blended mess (ask my mom about that one).
I think this must be one of the <lies to children> that are often told when there is no understandable explanation.
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you're confusing incident light with reflected light. white light is the combination of all colors of light; mix red and green light and you get yellow. mix red and green paint and you get... well, some sort of mawkish red-green. http://www.handprint.com/HP/WCL/color4.html
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Hey belM
'Colour' is just the sum of wavelengths of light entering your eye. If you have a source of light (something that produces it) then the more wavelengths represented (the more 'colours' you add) the closer the experience will be to white light.
Objects that you see on a day to day basis (apart from light bulbs) work by reflecting a certain wavelength of light at you. The reason they do this is because, essentially, they absorb all other wavelengths. This is something that our teachers in school never made very clear - an object appears to have a colour because it absorbs all other colours, so the only light reflected off it is what's left. If you think about it this way, it becomes simpler to understand why, if you mix pigments, each of which absorbs all but one colour, you will eventually end up with an amorphous blend that absorbs most light and reflects small portions from various patches in the spectrum - hence a dull brownish-grey as your final result.
tsuwm, of course, explained all this a great deal more concisely, but I just couldn't resist.
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WHOA, tsuwm, what a WONDERFUL link! OH!
THANK YOU!
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Agree with Jackie. Outstanding link. Thanks for that.
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