#78834
08/22/2002 11:50 PM
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Someone in my office uses the brand names for everything, even in memos, such as Kleenex, Xerox, etc. Is there a word for "one who uses trademarks figuratively"?
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#78835
08/23/2002 2:05 PM
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I sure can't think of any, though it's common enough (I do it my own self). Don't worry though: you'll probably get several coinages here. 
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#78836
08/23/2002 2:18 PM
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I suspect it's so common that no need is felt for a word to describe it. We do it often without knowing it. Using cellophane tape rather than scotch tape does not get you off the hook, as Cellophane is or was a trademark, as is/was Aspirin. I believe Zipper may well fit into that category, too. Anyone know the generic term for Magic MarkerŪ?
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#78837
08/23/2002 3:14 PM
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Anyone know the generic term for Magic MarkerŪ?
Ooh - oooh! I do! I do!
felt-tip(ped) pen
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#78838
08/23/2002 3:38 PM
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Wrong, my dear ASp. That term is a bit *too generic. It covers many items which are not magic markers.
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#78839
08/23/2002 7:58 PM
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#78840
08/23/2002 8:06 PM
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A Magic Marker is a coloring device that uses any of many colors to flow through a rather large felt point. They are about the size of early elementary crayons -- the fat ones --but there's a flow of ink rather than color put down through a wax medium.
I suppose you could call them colored markers... but I cannot think of a good generic term. Felt tip markers wouldn't really work because those could be the pen-sized ones.
Hmmm.... Who's got the answer?
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#78841
08/23/2002 8:12 PM
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The magic marker on my desk (brand name MARKS-A-LOTŪ) claims to be a Permanent Marker, but even that is a little too generic for my tastes. It could easily include laundry markers, those felt tip pens that we used to write our names on the clothes we took to summer camp.
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#78842
08/23/2002 8:13 PM
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I would use the generic "permanent marker" to describe felt tip pens that apply a generally non-erasable ink. The
most typical examples of thistype of pen are the Sanford "Sharpie" pens (there's a red one in my pocket right now)
and the "El Marko" pens. Both of these pens have a strong odor because the pigment is dissolved in a fast-drying
(and therefore volatile) solvent. You have to be careful with them or they will stain your posts.
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#78843
08/23/2002 8:17 PM
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But permanent markers are permanent. What about all those markers that are used for coloring by kids and teachers? We aren't allowed to use permanent markers because the ink is toxic.
I think "markers" is probably the generic term, whether permanent or otherwise.
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#78844
08/23/2002 8:22 PM
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TEd
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#78845
08/23/2002 8:25 PM
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In reply to:
But permanent markers are permanent. What about all those markers that are used for coloring by kids and teachers? We aren't allowed to use permanent markers because the ink is toxic.
I agree. Your basic Crayola felt tip pen is a "magic marker" or just "marker." There's also the dry-erase marker, whose smell I hate worse than a permanent marker. Instant headache.
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#78846
08/23/2002 8:27 PM
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I'm having way too much fun with these colors. Takes the edge off oncology...
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#78847
08/23/2002 9:07 PM
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I've actually taken to calling them Sharpies, Magic Markers are *so* 5 minutes ago!  
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#78848
08/23/2002 9:38 PM
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Sharpies and Magic Markers are two very different things. Sharpies are gazelles, Magic Markers are moose.
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#78849
08/24/2002 10:37 AM
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I have always called them big felts and crayon felts, because that is how they were divided up at nursery school. On the subject of brand names, is biro a brand name? I have a feeling it is. What would the generic name be?
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#78850
08/24/2002 11:20 AM
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Biro is a brand name. USns call them ball point pens. FWIW ball point pen might its own self be a trade mark. The first pen to be called a ball point pen was what we call a fountain pen. It had to do with the shape of the nib.
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#78851
08/24/2002 10:21 PM
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Dear Faldage: A fountain pen used liquid ink contained in a rubber bladder that was
compressed to drive out air, and let resulting vacuum draw up ink. A leading maker
of liquid in pens said that the ballpoint was the only pen that would make six carbon
copies but no original. The ball points sixty years ago were maddeningly unreliable.
The Parkers I spent big bucks on then are now junk.
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#78852
08/24/2002 10:33 PM
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yes, long ago, feathers were cut into pens with pen knives, and as they got worn, they were re-cut into a sharp point, and carefully split. then, sometime during the industrial revolution, steel nibs, that could slip into wooden holder became popular, and these, had pointed nibs, just like the feather ones.. but steel is much harder than a quill, and you had to write with a light hand.(and nibs were made out of other metal, most popular gold) or risk tearing the paper, or making a blot.
then someone (parker? waterman?) designed a ball tip to a steel nib. it was safer, smoother, and less likely to tear the paper.. Most fountain pens today have this style nib.
(pen's were also made out of glass!)
(as a curiosity, i have a "teacher's supply" box of steel nibs, and several of the wooden pen bodies to hold them.. as well as a number of different pens and nibs for caligraphy. i have even made my own inks.. (batchalor buttons, crushed in alcohol (denatured) make the pretties blue ink.. darker than sky, but still pretty light blue)
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#78853
08/24/2002 10:42 PM
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The secret of the Parker, Waterman and other pens when I was young, was that the nib
tip was a split globule of iridium, which had a very long life. I would not call it a ball.
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#78854
08/24/2002 11:31 PM
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We had a discussion a while back on AWAD about the density of minerals. Iridium, according to Stales, I'm pretty sure, was the most dense. I can't recall which was the least dense, although ice was not very dense--there was something less dense than ice, however...
I guess you wouldn't want a pen with a tip made of ice!
I suppose I should do a search here on "iridium" to get my facts straight...
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#78855
08/25/2002 12:07 AM
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Iridium [Ir] [77] - Chemical element datasheet - Periodic Table ... - ... Iridium,
Symbol: Ir ... with platinum. Use(s): Used with osmium to tip gold pen points, to make crucible
and special containers. Also to ...
http://www.vcs.ethz.ch/chemglobe/ptoe/_/77.html (Search within this site)
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#78856
08/25/2002 5:21 PM
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Without thinking, I used a word very similar to tek Ni Kolor in my newspaper column without using the strict format. My editor received a nasty letter with a threat of legal action from the law firm that acts as the copyright watchdog for some company or other that makes colour for movies under a very similar name.
David (c)
Carpe whatever
Carpe whatever
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#78857
08/26/2002 4:51 AM
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My Pharmacology Consultant uses the term "medical mishap waiting to happen".
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