#78711
08/29/2002 12:16 PM
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Watch out, Jackie. You've set Faldage to dreaming about transitive & intransitive verbs. 
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#78712
08/29/2002 2:26 PM
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Do you-all really say first September?Lessee... I was just aware that sometimes I sort of read out what I see as regards date formats, but at others I translate them. Just curious as to regional variations. Oh, and I forgot about the holiday/vacation thang. D'oh. But for me, "I'm seeing Jackie on 1st September" would be spoken as: "I'm seeing Jackie on the first o' September" [the of is in the process of disappearing] "I'm seeing Jackie on 01/09/02" would be spoken as: "I'm seeing Jackie on the first o' the ninth of oh two" [first of disappearing] This may be an individual rather than a cultural reading, however. 
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#78713
08/30/2002 11:25 AM
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"I'm seeing Jackie on the first o' the ninth of oh two"
[first of disappearing]
Well now--grant me for argument's sake that it would be acceptable to say a ninth, where you have the ninth. I'd be willing to bet that the statement would become "I'm seeing Jackie on the first of a ninth of oh two". Or if we plan our rendezvous twenty years from now, it would be "I'm seeing Jackie on the first o' the ninth o' twenty-two". I think whether the v sound is dropped or not depends on the first sound of the word that follows it.
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#78714
08/31/2002 1:13 AM
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I don't think I've ever heard anyone say "first of the ninth of oh two". "First of the ninth", yeah, occasionally, but adding the year in like that just seems stilted to me.
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#78715
08/31/2002 1:28 AM
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This is madness. I have never heard anyone say they're meeting someone on the 1st of the/a 9th....etc. Any of those. Never.
Sure, people would spell it out: I'm seeing someone on the ninth of September.
Or : I'm seeing everyone on the ninth of September in '03 (or 'in two thousand three')...
But never: "I'm seeing Jackie and everybody else on the first of the ninth..." where 9th means a month.
Closest I can get to this (while my head nods and I need to get to sleep) would be my response to an agency for a date. I might say, "O-eight; O-twenty-four; forty-two," for example, for August 24, 1942, but I'd have to be pretty sure that the person on the other end was filling in blanks and was accumstomed to translating dates this way.
Oh, well. It's probably lack of sleep at this point, but those examples up there I've never heard people use in everyday speech.
FTR,
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#78716
08/31/2002 11:25 AM
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"O-eight; O-twenty-four; forty-two,"
O-eight O-twenty four??? How many days they got in a month down there in Virginia??
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#78717
08/31/2002 1:58 PM
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Fun Faldage observes:
O-eight O-twenty four??? How many days they got in a month down there in Virginia??
You know, Faldage, I am so happy that you're back writing on AWAD again. A day without your catching me in writing errors just ain't a good day.
By the way, why are articles called "articles." It's weird when you think about it. I mean, to read an article in a newspaper or magazine, well, that's something of length, right?
But articles are little bitty words: one, two, three letters. I mean, the word article has more letters than a, an, and the all added up together. Bet I made everybody add up those letters--ha!
What gives?
Befuddled regards,
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#78718
08/31/2002 6:21 PM
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..I'm seeing everyone on the ninth of September in '03
The year usage is around, though perhaps a bit quaint and/or dated. Stereotype: an old codger offers a remark equivalent to "...why, Ah remember the big hurricaine back in September of Aught-two..."
I've heard people use "first September" in all seriousness; generally they have been British-educated or trained. Never "first Ninth," though.
Afterthought: in the present context, is there a difference between an "article" and a "particle" ?
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08/31/2002 7:44 PM
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Afterthought: in the present context, is there a difference between an "article" and a "particle" ?Not a...
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#78720
08/31/2002 7:52 PM
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When ought a naught be an aught?
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#78721
09/01/2002 12:16 PM
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back in September of Aught-two..."
Or even, in a humorous sense, back in September of Aught-twelve..."
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#78722
09/02/2002 11:43 AM
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"First of the ninth", yeah, occasionally, but adding the year in like that just seems stilted to me.
Yeah, Cap, you wouldn't hear this very often. The "first of the ninth" thing alone would tend to be in a business context, say, setting dates for meetings or actions from meetings, etc. But there are times that the year needs to be specified, and at those times I reckon it would be spoken as "oh two" or whatever.
I was especially curious as to whether 1st September would be preceded by a the and have an of before "September" for everyone. I'd never write either of those, but I'd say (=read) both.
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09/02/2002 12:03 PM
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1st September would be preceded by a the and have an of before "September" for everyone.
USns would certainly, in general, say "the first of September" or either "September first". We would not, I think, normally write it "1 September". We most likely would write it "Sep(t(ember)) 1", "8/1" or, less likely but still possibly, "08/01".
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09/02/2002 12:23 PM
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We most likely would write it "Sep(t(ember)) 1", "8/1" or, less likely but still possibly, "08/01".
Now, far be it from me to pick nits, but outside the US, September is the ninth (9th) month. Of course, I do understand that the cultural differences between the US and the rest of the world could very well result in the US calendar looking like:
1. July
2. March
3. November
4. January
5. April
6. February
7. May
8. September
9. June
10. December
11. August
12. October
HTH. Live long and prosper. I look forward to Christmas in October this year ...
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#78725
09/02/2002 12:34 PM
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09/02/2002 2:53 PM
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Oh, happy day! Faldage got caught in a nit!
Well done, Fishpicker!
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#78727
09/02/2002 5:06 PM
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The idiot also known as Capfka ...
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#78728
09/03/2002 6:30 AM
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Talking of the strange ways y'all have with your dates. A visiting US'n company at the Edinburgh Fringe remarked that it was strange that we were using the term 9-11 here. It was pointed out that in general we do not (especially as the telephone number for the emergency services here, as regulars will know, is 999 not 911). We tend say 11th September or sometimes September 11th (out of deference to our friends across the pond).
Someone pointed out that in years to come it is likely that people will see the date written down and wonder what event took place on the 9th November. (For Faldage - don't worry - that will be 3-9 for you).
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09/03/2002 9:43 AM
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what event took place on the 9th November.
Wasn't that the day they caught Guy Fawkes, the guy that bombed the Reichstag on 5th November?
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#78730
09/03/2002 11:33 AM
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The Reichstag?
Ich ne bloody think so pas!
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#78731
09/04/2002 8:42 PM
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Fald, old bean,
Was that Guy van der Lubbe Fawkes?
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#78732
09/05/2002 9:45 AM
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Guy van der Lubbe Fawkes?
The veriest one.
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#78733
09/05/2002 10:04 AM
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Van der Lubbe didn't set fire to the Reichstag either even though he was "convicted" of doing it ... try again!
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#78734
09/05/2002 10:44 AM
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try again
Try what again, Cap? Are you one of the mindlost?
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#78735
09/05/2002 9:09 PM
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>mindlost
Too subtle for me. Is this alcohol related? If so, I have no doubt that the Capital Kiwi in question would plead guilty.
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