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#77659 08/05/02 07:48 PM
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I am reading The Coalwood Way, by Homer Hickam, which is autobiographical, set in Coalwood WV, in 1960.

His mother uses I swan! --instead of i swear i guess.

the book is great, (crossing thread, now, since i posted here, not in Misc.) -- there are other words and expressions that are not ones i would use, but I swan ! is one i have never heard..

is this a southern expression, or one specific to Coalwood, WV


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It's a generalized Southern euphemism, though very old- fashioned.


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I have read "I swan" in stories about country life, but it did not seem to be a euphemism
for a forbidden word. More often it seemed to be an expression of mild surprise.

From radio program "Lum and Abner"

September 24, 1935:
Abner: That reminds me, too, Lum, you know I told you 'bout that vanella extract's been disappearin' down at the store. I
found out where it's been goin' to. Cedric's been gettin' it. He's usin' it for pre-fume!
Lum: Vanilla extract fer perfumery?
Abner: Yes, sir! Every time we get on that store I get hongry. Smells like somebody's bakin' a cake in there.
Lum: Hmph! I swan to goodness. That boy is a sight.
Abner: No tellin' how much of that stuff he's usin'. Just pours it all over hisself. Got the whole store to smellin' like vaneller. We
oughta just stop handlin' that vanella flavorin'.
Lum: Well, you better speak to him before he starts in on the bananer or lemon or some of them other flavorin's.

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it was originally formed from "I shall warrant" and later taken as a mincing substitute for "I swear".



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In mid-last-century Alabama, no one said "I swan".

What was said was, "I swa-nee", meaning "I do declare", perhaps, as tsuwm reported, deriving in sound and meaning from "I shall warrant".

Wouldn't you think that in order for an euphemism to be a euphemism, a conscious avoidance usage would be the determinate aspect?

Back then and there a sentence like this would not be unusual...

"Well I swanee, would you look at that youn'un, I swear he's the spittin' image of his uncle Harry."


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it was originally formed from "I shall warrant" and later taken as a mincing substitute for "I swear".
Mincing...I love it! "I shall warrant"--Wow, just like good-bye! Cool! Thanks, O non-mincing one.
I've heard I'll swan and I'll swanee all my life.

Helen, is "The Coalwood Way" as good as October Sky/Rocket Boys? I've thought about reading it.



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Well, following on from The Crimson Lady's post, what is the origin of "Swanee" as in the song?



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I didn't read October Sky/Rocket Boys, but it picks up where that ended, and continue the next 2 years of Hickams teen years. It's wonderful... I remember 1960-- i was younger, but its still wonderful reading about the 1960's in West Virginia.

in 1960 we (my family) went to ireland, and we all sat in a row.. 3 and 2, in the very first row of coach, where there was enough room for a small wall hung basinet.. (my youngest sister wasn't even 1,) My 2 1/2 year old brother listen to the stewardess give all the safety information, and then ask "any questions?" and Stephen piped up--"When do we blast off?" I wasn't making rockets, and i didn't know any one who was, but i still remember how exciting and futuristic rockets seemed!


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the origin of "Swanee"

It's from the Suwannee River in south Georgia and north Florida. I would expect Suwannee's from an Indian name.


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Ta, Faldo.



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