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did any one see this op ed article earlier this week in the NYtimes? http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/29/opinion/29THAR.htmlhere is the beginning.. Words, words, words," Hamlet famously moaned when Polonius asked him what he was reading. Such dismissiveness is often echoed by observers of the international diplomatic scene. "More empty talk," a journalist said to me the other day. "What difference will it make?"
He was referring to the meeting I was attending, a United Nations-organized seminar in Copenhagen on peace in the Middle East. But he could as well have been talking about the confabulations of the food summit in Rome earlier this year or the World Summit on Sustainable Development in Johannesburg next month. I have no doubt critics are dusting off the cliches for that one, preparing to denounce one more gabfest.
But why has talking become so unpopular? Talk, we are told, is a poor substitute for action; all too often talk becomes an end in itself, masking the absence of real progress. The remedy is simple: abolish the talking-shops.
Yet talk is the necessary precursor for action. Nothing can change unless the world agrees, through talk, upon change. The series of United Nations conferences in the 1990's — on subjects ranging from population and women's issues to human rights and development — established new global norms in all these fields and defined standards now accepted by most countries. Talking got them there.
It is true that many international meetings are consumed by what T.S. Eliot called "the intolerable wrestle with words and meanings." But that process ends up producing a form of words that is full of meaning to those who did the wrestling (even when those who didn't may have trouble finding the meaning). Such talk lays down markers, articulates aspirations, identifies common approaches, reveals gaps and helps bridge them. Without talk, there would never be agreement; without agreement, there would be no action.
Even when talk does not lead to agreement — even when it degenerates into received wisdom, time-honored conventions, tired formulas and, perhaps worst of all, insider jargon — it still helps change perceptions and establish new levels of acceptability for both familiar and unfamiliar ideas. Repeated talk alters the substantive threshold in the talkers' minds: as you listen, positions you would never think of adopting become comprehensible to you; the process of reacting to what is said reveals your own assumptions to you. i almost want to invite her to join us in this discussion.. we don't all agree.. but we are learning to use words, words, words effectively!
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Something incredibly inspiring!
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TEd Remington
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07/19/02 04:00 PM
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Re: Something incredibly inspiring!
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satin
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07/19/02 08:00 PM
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Eastern Civilization?
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FishonaBike
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07/19/02 09:38 PM
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Re: Eastern Civilization?
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TEd Remington
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07/20/02 01:16 AM
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I'm on hiatus
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TEd Remington
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07/20/02 01:20 AM
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Re: I'm on hiatus
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Capital Kiwi
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07/20/02 04:53 AM
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Who do I hate?
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belligerentyouth
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07/22/02 01:13 PM
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Re: Eastern Civilization?
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milum
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08/07/02 02:44 AM
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Re: Eastern Civilization?
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of troy
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08/07/02 12:40 PM
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Re: Eastern Civilization?
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Jazzoctopus
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08/07/02 05:40 PM
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Re: Eastern Civilization?
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WhitmanO'Neill
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08/07/02 09:16 PM
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Following right along ..
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Capital Kiwi
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08/08/02 09:05 AM
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Re: Eastern Civilization?
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milum
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08/08/02 01:24 PM
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Re: Eastern Civilization?
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Chemeng1992
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08/08/02 02:15 PM
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Re: Eastern Civilization?
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milum
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08/08/02 06:29 PM
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Re: Eastern Civilization?
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Jazzoctopus
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08/08/02 08:26 PM
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Re: Eastern Civilization?
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milum
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08/09/02 09:11 AM
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Re: Something incredible!
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maverick
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07/19/02 11:21 PM
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Re: Something incredible!
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sjm
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07/19/02 11:39 PM
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Re: Something incredible!
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vika
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07/20/02 07:41 PM
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Re: Something in counterpoint
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Vernon Compton
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07/21/02 12:53 AM
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Re: Something incredibly inspiring!
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modestgoddess
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07/21/02 01:11 AM
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Re: Something incredibly inspiring!
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RhubarbCommando
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07/21/02 08:58 AM
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War, what is it good for? Absolutely nothing.
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Fiberbabe
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07/21/02 12:46 PM
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Re: something perspiring
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maverick
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07/21/02 08:39 PM
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something some found inspiring
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armor
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07/21/02 10:13 PM
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Intemperate personal response
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TEd Remington
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07/29/02 03:06 PM
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well.....
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belligerentyouth
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07/30/02 11:04 AM
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Re: War, what is it good for? Absolutely nothing.
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modestgoddess
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07/22/02 01:21 PM
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Re: War, what is it good for? Absolutely nothing.
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of troy
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07/22/02 02:27 PM
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Re: War, what is it good for? Absolutely nothing.
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dodyskin
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07/22/02 03:12 PM
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Re: War, what is it good for? Absolutely nothing.
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Rouspeteur
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07/31/02 03:08 PM
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Re: War, what is it good for? Absolutely nothing.
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FishonaBike
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07/31/02 11:01 PM
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Re: War, what is it good for? Absolutely nothing.
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Rouspeteur
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08/01/02 01:08 AM
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hate-mongering lacks novelty
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belligerentyouth
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08/01/02 01:32 AM
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Re: hate-mongering lacks novelty
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Rouspeteur
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08/01/02 08:53 AM
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Re: hate-mongering lacks novelty
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maverick
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08/01/02 09:41 AM
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My appreciation
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Jackie
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08/01/02 12:44 PM
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Re: hate-mongering lacks novelty
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Rouspeteur
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08/01/02 04:46 PM
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learning to forget.....
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belligerentyouth
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08/01/02 03:47 PM
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Cross-threading
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Jackie
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08/01/02 04:11 PM
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forgetting to learn..
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Rouspeteur
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08/01/02 04:27 PM
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Re: forgetting to learn..
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of troy
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08/01/02 05:34 PM
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Re: forgetting to learn..
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Rouspeteur
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08/01/02 06:24 PM
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Re: forgetting to learn..
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Chemeng1992
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08/01/02 08:04 PM
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Choosing Violence
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FishonaBike
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08/01/02 11:23 PM
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Re: Choosing Violence
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Capital Kiwi
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08/06/02 08:00 PM
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Re: Choosing Violence
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Chemeng1992
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08/06/02 08:48 PM
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Re: Choosing Violence
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Hyla
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08/06/02 09:21 PM
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Cap America
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FishonaBike
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08/07/02 08:04 AM
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Re: Choosing Violence
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WhitmanO'Neill
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08/07/02 02:44 PM
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Re: Choosing Violence
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TEd Remington
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08/08/02 02:22 PM
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Re: Choosing Violence
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WhitmanO'Neill
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08/09/02 02:30 PM
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Re: Choosing Violence
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FishonaBike
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08/09/02 03:21 PM
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Re: Choosing Violence
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dxb
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08/09/02 04:12 PM
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Re: Choosing Violence
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Capital Kiwi
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08/09/02 09:11 PM
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Re: Choosing Violence
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belMarduk
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08/10/02 12:52 AM
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Re: Choosing Violence--the Iraqi "Question"
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WhitmanO'Neill
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08/10/02 05:56 PM
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Re: Choosing Violence--the Iraqi "Question"
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Capital Kiwi
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08/10/02 09:29 PM
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Re: Choosing Violence--the Iraqi "Question"
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Wordwind
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08/10/02 09:48 PM
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Re: Choosing Violence--the Iraqi "Question"
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milum
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08/11/02 12:19 AM
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Re: Choosing Violence--the Iraqi "Question"
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sjm
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08/11/02 05:45 AM
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Re: Choosing Violence--the Iraqi "Question"
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milum
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08/11/02 03:04 PM
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Re: Choosing Violence--the Iraqi "Question"
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sjm
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08/11/02 08:05 PM
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Re: Choosing Violence--the Iraqi "Question"
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milum
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08/12/02 12:18 AM
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Re: Choosing Violence--the Iraqi "Question"
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sjm
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08/12/02 01:06 AM
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Re: Choosing Violence--the Iraqi "Question"
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Chemeng1992
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08/12/02 02:51 PM
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Re: Choosing Violence--the Iraqi "Question"
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Faldage
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08/12/02 02:57 PM
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if you took out all the dead democrats that voted?
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TEd Remington
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08/12/02 03:10 PM
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Our Concerns
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Capital Kiwi
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08/11/02 08:21 PM
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Re: Our Concerns
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Vernon Compton
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08/11/02 08:58 PM
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Re: Our Concerns
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Buffalo Shrdlu
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08/11/02 10:10 PM
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Getting the picture
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TEd Remington
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08/11/02 02:57 PM
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Re: Getting the picture
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of troy
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08/11/02 03:18 PM
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Re: Silverado/Why don't you come to your senses?
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WhitmanO'Neill
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08/12/02 01:27 AM
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Re: Silverado/Why don't you come to your senses?
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TEd Remington
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08/12/02 01:59 PM
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Re: Silverado/Why don't you come to your senses?
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WhitmanO'Neill
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08/12/02 09:56 PM
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Re: Silverado/Why don't you come to your senses?
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Capital Kiwi
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08/13/02 06:40 AM
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My senses are fine, thank you.
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TEd Remington
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08/13/02 01:41 PM
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Re: My senses are fine, thank you.
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Faldage
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08/13/02 01:47 PM
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Re: My senses are fine, thank you.
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WhitmanO'Neill
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08/13/02 02:22 PM
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Re: forgetting to learn? or learning to forget?
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armor
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08/08/02 02:16 PM
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off by heart
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belligerentyouth
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08/01/02 07:13 PM
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Re: off by heart
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TEd Remington
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08/01/02 08:24 PM
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Re: off by heart
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belligerentyouth
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08/12/02 01:52 PM
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Re: off by heart
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TEd Remington
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08/13/02 02:09 PM
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Re: off by heart
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Buffalo Shrdlu
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08/13/02 02:31 PM
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Conspiracies
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Capital Kiwi
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08/13/02 06:03 PM
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Re: Conspiracies
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Jackie
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08/13/02 09:24 PM
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Re: Conspiracies
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Jackie
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08/14/02 01:33 AM
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Re: Conspiracies
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Faldage
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08/14/02 11:02 AM
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Re: Conspiracies
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WhitmanO'Neill
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08/14/02 12:39 PM
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Re: Conspiracies
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Capital Kiwi
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08/16/02 09:14 PM
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Re: Belligerent Youth
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Wordwind
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08/16/02 09:32 PM
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Re: Belligerent Youth
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Capital Kiwi
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08/16/02 10:05 PM
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Re: Conspiracies
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Faldage
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08/13/02 10:32 PM
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Re: Conspiracies
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sjm
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08/13/02 10:52 PM
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Re: Conspiracies
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dxb
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08/14/02 03:25 PM
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Re: Conspiracies
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vika
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08/15/02 04:21 PM
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New war order
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belligerentyouth
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08/16/02 02:47 PM
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Re: Start again
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AnnaStrophic
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08/16/02 04:20 PM
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Re: New (shudder) order
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wow
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08/17/02 06:56 PM
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Re: off by heart
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Chemeng1992
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08/01/02 08:37 PM
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Re: The Last Flower
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WhitmanO'Neill
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08/01/02 10:08 PM
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Re: War, what is it good for? Absolutely nothing.
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of troy
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08/01/02 12:57 PM
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Re: War, what is it good for? Absolutely nothing.
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Buffalo Shrdlu
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08/01/02 01:24 PM
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Re: War, what is it good for? Absolutely nothing.
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of troy
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08/01/02 07:01 PM
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Re: War, what is it good for? Absolutely nothing.
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FishonaBike
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08/01/02 10:14 PM
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