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After eight years of excavations, archaeologists have uncovered remains like teak and metal from ships, sapphires, beads, wine and peppercorns.
-- The New York Times online, July 9
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What's odd about it? And where is the excavation site?
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Thanks, Insel.
Registration was quick and easy.
And the article was interesting. Would like to see a map showing the ancient maritime routes and one to show a comparison to how the geography is today.
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Cool article. An excerpt that I liked:
the research showed that the maritime trade route between India and Egypt in antiquity appeared to be even more productive and lasted longer than scholars had thought.
Also, it was not an overwhelmingly Roman enterprise, as had been generally assumed. The researchers said artifacts at the site indicated that the ships might have been built in India and were probably crewed by Indians.
"We talk today about globalism as if it were the latest thing, but trade was going on in antiquity at a scale and scope that is truly impressive," Dr. Wendrich said.
Somehow I never thought of the ancient Indian peoples as seafarers. Thanks for the eye-opener, Insel.
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I think I understand what you were refering to when you called it odd, IP. I had to read that sentence several times before I understood the listing order. I wish I had the words to explain it to others. It is an awkward sentence. Perhaps if the order had been inverted
After eight years of excavations, archaeologists have uncovered remains like teak and metal from ships, sapphires, beads, wine and peppercorns.
After eight years of excavations, archaeologists have uncovered remains such as peppercorns, wine, beads, sapphires(,?) and teak and metal from ships.
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Surely it's the double use of 'and' that doesn't sit quite right with IslandPete, right Consuelo? If the first were omitted from your rendering it would sound much better to me. 'Such as' is certainly preferable to 'like' in this case.
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Yep, the "like" is the problem. And I like Consuelo's arrangement of the items, movement from smallest to largest. More dramatic, if nothing else.
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Kisses for consuelo.
[That'll teach you to back me up ;-)]
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by, I tried writing it with only one and but it's my understanding that the teak and metal were both parts of ships excavated, so how would you indicate that without that first and?
I'll back you up any day, IslandPete! I like kisses.....purring now.......
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Consuelo writes in orange:
After eight years of excavations, archaeologists have uncovered remains such as peppercorns, wine, beads, sapphires(,?) and teak and metal from ships.
And she (you, Consuelo) asks about the teak and metal from ships--how to show that the ships were made, we assume, from teak and metal.
Here's one of the possible new configurations:
After eight years of excavations, archaeologists have uncovered remains such as peppercorns, wine, beads, sapphires, and, from ships, teak and metal.
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I thought of that too, but it seemed just as awkward as the original, to my ears. How about
After eight years of excavations, archaeologists have uncovered remains such as peppercorns, wine, beads, sapphires, and teak and metal from the remains of the ships.
I didn't read this particular article, but I have read others similar to this and am assuming that the remains were found in sunken ships that are currently being excavated. Is this the archeological site that was once a harbor and is now found on dry land?
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> it's my understanding that the teak and metal were both parts of ships excavated
No doubt. And in that sense, I don't see anything wrong with your first version, I just thought that's what got to IP. Your second version isn't poetry, but it IS easier to grasp on first reading, which is obviously of utmost importance in an article. So, I'd go for it:-)
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Now that it's past my bedtime, I can admit. The post was odder in the headline, where I found it, than in article itself, which I read only after posting--no doubt, it is a vice to be so eager.
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