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Previous Thread Next Thread Print Thread Page 2 of 2 1 2 today's future #75328 07/09/02 08:25 AM Joined: Oct 2000 Posts: 1,346 Sussex, England F FishonaBike veteran FishonaBike veteran F Joined: Oct 2000 Posts: 1,346 Sussex, England Now, do you understand what I'm trying to get across here? Yep. You only have to worry about clarifying (with a verb) if you're publishing, as otherwise by far the most common interpretation of "Goals by 2005" would be the correct one. My suggested ambiguity is pretty much academic. I think part of the difficulty (well, for me anyway ) is that a goal is something you have now that happens in the future. "Future goals" is a tautology, but on the other hand it may help create a distinction from "past goals" that you have or haven't achieved already. Reminds me of the World Cup final, when I was telling people "I'm not expecting to be surprised", meaning that I was expecting the favourites (Brazil) to walk it. Logically speaking the statement is a tautology, but in practice it's meaningful and informative. I feel this sleight of hand is also caused by a confusion of tenses. But I can't quite put my finger on it. Suppose this is all getting into linguistics and philosophy. Fisk (candidate for VP of Procrastinators Anonymous, 2005) Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Goals by / until / up to 2005? #75329 07/09/02 01:39 PM Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 328 Eastern Pennsylvania Rapunzel enthusiast Rapunzel enthusiast Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 328 Eastern Pennsylvania My goal is to be alive in 2005. The statistics are not favorable. Don't worry, Uncle Bill-- you'll always live in my heart. [big smooch e] Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Goals by / until / up to 2005? #75330 07/09/02 02:34 PM Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 2,204 R RhubarbCommando Pooh-Bah RhubarbCommando Pooh-Bah R Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 2,204 - - and anyway, Bill, Disraeli was right about 'em! (My personal creed is that I am immortal - until proved otherwise!) Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Goals by / until / up to 2005? #75331 07/10/02 03:53 PM Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 161 Aberdeen, Scotland V vika member vika member V Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 161 Aberdeen, Scotland to adopt the goal? I never saw this expression before and my Longman says only “to achieve the goal”. Does it mean “to adopt the plan’’? Is it an American expression? Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Goals by / until / up to 2005? #75332 07/10/02 08:42 PM Joined: Oct 2000 Posts: 1,346 Sussex, England F FishonaBike veteran FishonaBike veteran F Joined: Oct 2000 Posts: 1,346 Sussex, England to adopt the goal? I never saw this expression before I'm not surprised, vika - you wouldn't have call to use this expression much! Perhaps if you were talking about a company adopting the goals of its parent company. We were trying to express fairly subtle (almost philosophical) distinctions of meaning, so the language wasn't commonplace. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Page 2 of 2 1 2 Moderated by  Jackie  Hop To General Topics ------  Information and announcements  Q&A about words  Wordplay and fun  Words and languages in schools  Miscellany  Weekly Themes  Looking for (writers, speakers,... (Old) Weekly themes. (have been... ------  Words from medicine  Beheading words  Meta-words  Words from classical mythology  Animal Safari  Words with unusual etymologies  Eponyms or words derived from p...  Loanwords from German  English as a global language Print Thread Switch to Threaded Mode Show Likes Link Copied to Clipboard View Profile Private Message Website Follow User Forum Posts Like Summary View Profile Private Message Follow User Forum Posts Like Summary View Profile Private Message Follow User Forum Posts Like Summary View Profile Private Message Follow User Forum Posts Like Summary View Profile Private Message Website Follow User Forum Posts Like Summary Forum Statistics Forums16 Topics13,913 Posts229,602 Members9,187 Most Online3,341 Dec 9th, 2011 Newest Members Karin, JeffMackwood, artguitar, Jim_W, Rdbuffalo 9,187 Registered Users Who's Online Now 0 members (), 203 guests, and 3 robots. Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod Top Posters(30 Days) wofahulicodoc 30 A C Bowden 20 LukeJavan8 4 Top Posters wwh 13,858 Faldage 13,803 Jackie 11,613 wofahulicodoc 10,725 tsuwm 10,542 LukeJavan8 9,933 Buffalo Shrdlu 7,210 AnnaStrophic 6,511 Wordwind 6,296 of troy 5,400

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