the problem with math(s) is, we start kids off with algerba, and while it is a place to start, we keep at it..for ages.. i liked math so much better when i started to learn other branches... non-euclidian geometery, geometery, numbers (and bases binary, octal, hex, and all the other ones) fibonacci numbers, golden ratio's... there are so many wonderful ideas.. and we get get bogged down doing long division to 5 places!--