Wordsmith.org: the magic of words

Wordsmith Talk

About Us | What's New | Search | Site Map | Contact Us  

Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 2 of 5 1 2 3 4 5
#74537 06/30/02 03:06 PM
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 7,210
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 7,210
In reply to:

The one I like best is
"grow two trees from one seed"
It has two very nice (in the 'precise' sense of that overused word!) advantages: it stands the proverbial phrase on its head, metaphorizing birth instead of killing; and it shares with the original the aspect of being highly improbable on the literal level.


well, said, grump! that was my favorite, as well. the world needs all the help it can get to get past our violent metaphors and expressions...



formerly known as etaoin...
#74538 06/30/02 03:09 PM
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 2,605
K
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
K
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 2,605
Wordwind says, "The url's too long to paste. I'll see whether it can be reduced later today."

Done for you. Here you go: http://makeashorterlink.com/?U26715A21




#74539 06/30/02 03:13 PM
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 5,400
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 5,400
Don't let keiva's supposed helpfulness fool you.
he was banned, and force his way back by extortion.
he is not wanted here




#74540 06/30/02 04:15 PM
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 13,858
W
wwh Offline
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
W
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 13,858
As of troy said, Keiva is contemptible.


#74541 06/30/02 05:37 PM
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 8
G
grump Offline OP
stranger
OP Offline
stranger
G
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 8
wwh spake:
>> And yet, none of the alternative suggestions is as terse and clear as the original. <<
to which I reply:
Huh?
"to grow two trees from one seed" is exactly as terse and clear as
"to kill two birds with one stone"--
(well, OK, not *quite* as terse, being longer by one letter...)
;-) Ch.S.



#74542 06/30/02 05:48 PM
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 2,605
K
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
K
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 2,605
Isn't there some kind of gun shot that spreads so that a hunter could get several birds with one blast of the gun?

Without looking it up, betcha this is where we get the words scattershot and birdshot.


#74543 06/30/02 05:57 PM
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 13,858
W
wwh Offline
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
W
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 13,858
Keiva: you were banned from AWADtalk for starting a flamewar,
and refusing to quit. You extorted a reprive from Wordsmith
by threat of a lawsuit. You are completely contemptible.


#74544 06/30/02 08:00 PM
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 1,624
Pooh-Bah
Offline
Pooh-Bah
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 1,624
Grump wrote: >>But in a way it is exactly that casual--or thoughtless--reference to unnecessary killing which is problematic, and helps makes the term offensive!

All too PC for me, Grump. The language is the language and merely wishing it otherwise will not make it change. Your desire to eradicate the phrase from the language may well succeed if you campaign vigorously enough across the entire English-speaking world. I wish you well with it. Good luck!

- Pfranz

#74545 06/30/02 10:01 PM
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 2,605
K
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
K
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 2,605
The expression about killing two birds with one stone

Even in days "when killing birds was necessary to get food," I can't imagine that throwing stones at them was an very effective method. It wouldn't work: even a professional baseball pitcher can't consistently hit a spot the size of a bird. I'd think the only practical method would be trapping, as by limed twigs.

So if there was not a food-gathering practice of throwing stones at birds, where did the expression come from?


#74546 06/30/02 10:23 PM
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 7,210
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 7,210
In reply to:

All too PC for me, Grump. The language is the language and merely wishing it otherwise will not make it change.


ah, yes, but he's doing more than just wishing, he's talking about it... I would think anyone with an interest in words would truly understand that language is powerful, and to ignore those phrases which don't fit our hopes for the future must be discussed, and over time, changed.

In reply to:

I can't imagine that throwing stones at them was an very effective method.


I would think we're talking about using a sling, rather than throwing. my understanding of the sling indicates that it is a very effective tool.




formerly known as etaoin...
Page 2 of 5 1 2 3 4 5

Moderated by  Jackie 

Link Copied to Clipboard
Forum Statistics
Forums16
Topics13,913
Posts229,580
Members9,187
Most Online3,341
Dec 9th, 2011
Newest Members
Karin, JeffMackwood, artguitar, Jim_W, Rdbuffalo
9,187 Registered Users
Who's Online Now
0 members (), 332 guests, and 0 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Top Posters(30 Days)
Top Posters
wwh 13,858
Faldage 13,803
Jackie 11,613
wofahulicodoc 10,713
tsuwm 10,542
LukeJavan8 9,931
AnnaStrophic 6,511
Wordwind 6,296
of troy 5,400
Disclaimer: Wordsmith.org is not responsible for views expressed on this site. Use of this forum is at your own risk and liability - you agree to hold Wordsmith.org and its associates harmless as a condition of using it.

Home | Today's Word | Yesterday's Word | Subscribe | FAQ | Archives | Search | Feedback
Wordsmith Talk | Wordsmith Chat

© 1994-2024 Wordsmith

Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5