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07/24/2002 11:03 PM
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All y'all can git the hay-all away from me with Juan's jam-injector is all! [/KK]
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07/24/2002 11:10 PM
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07/24/2002 11:38 PM
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i like the french ones best! In NY, there are 2 basic crullers, a long cruller is a cake like (read: dense, leaden, soggy with grease) and french crullers.. made from a pate a chou-- (cream puff dough) they are light, and airy, and have a very crunch crust!... and they are always lightly glaced, Not the same as KK, but pretty damn good!an they are formed with a pastry tube, and have deep ridged edges..so there is lots of crust!
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07/24/2002 11:42 PM
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07/25/2002 12:28 AM
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> pate a chouSome sort of cabbage/goose liver blend?  Hi Bel!
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07/25/2002 1:39 AM
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In Mexico, they have churros. They sound much like the deep-ridged crullers of troy described. They are also rolled in cinnamon sugar and accompanied by frothy hot chocolate.[wiping the slobber off the keyboard-e] 
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07/25/2002 11:56 AM
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The only thing I know as a cruller is a light, glazed, donut-like object shaped like a tractor tire. This sounds somewhat like your French cruller, helen - is that a good description of the shape? (I always called them tractor tires when I was little because I couldn't for the life of me remember the name. We used to have this weekly family pilgrimage to Tim Hortons* after church, and my Dad liked the crullers.)
OK, here's a word-related question: my husband's favourite donut (and I mean favourite - last week they appeared to be out and he sent the little worker-fellow searching for more "in the back") is a Boston cream. It's got custard injected, instead of jam (yuck! I hate them!), and chocolate icing on top. To all: do you guys know this kind of donut? Is it called a Boston cream? Do people in Boston eat it, or did they invent it? Or is it just a misleading name, like French fries?
*Canadian donut/doughnut chain, usually just referred to as Tim's, named after an NHL player, has the best coffee and we can't figure out why the taste is so different from other places, everyone east of Manitoba walks around in the mornings with a Tim's cup in hand
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07/25/2002 12:50 PM
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my husband's favourite donut (and I mean favourite - last week they appeared
to be out and he sent the little worker-fellow searching for more "in the back") is a Boston cream. It's got custard injected, instead of jam
The few Scots on this board (and jmh, of course) will be salivating when I mention the word fudgies. They are very like what you have described here, Bean, but absolutely delicious. Substitute fudge for the custard....... Yum!
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#73770
07/25/2002 12:58 PM
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Is "intromission" a kinky form of dunking?
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07/25/2002 1:01 PM
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... and I remember serving them (and eating them!) in my Dad's transport café in the late 1950sD'oh!I clearly haven't lived. Well, not in wild, crazy, cosmopolitan Maidstone, anyway..  But it's still true that "bun" doughnuts came first in the UK, yes?
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07/25/2002 1:06 PM
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In Mexico, they have churros
Ah, now you're talking, Connie!
I know nowt about crullers, but chocolate con churros is a great Spanish favourite...
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#73773
07/25/2002 1:09 PM
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> haven't lived. Well, not in wild, crazy, cosmopolitan Maidstone (EA)
me neither! It's life Jim, but not as we know it... ;)
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07/25/2002 1:16 PM
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Topologically, we're all donutsNah - we're a lot more holey, Hyla.  Sponges, perhaps?
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07/25/2002 1:19 PM
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Topologically, we're all donuts
Alimentary, dear Watson
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07/25/2002 2:28 PM
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Holland, a country with more religious tolerence than englandTrue, but not for Catholicism. Because the tolerance was in large part a backlash against the Spanish Inquisition/Armada etc, and William of Orange was the man whose time had come: http://www.hiptravelguide.com/amsterdam/php/article.php?sid=45Of course, there's heavy irony that the Church of England was supposedly initiated as a means of escaping oppression and providing religious freedom. Before too long it's yet another dogma and means of controlling people (albeit, significantly, at a more local level). It was news to me that Separatism (Puritanism/Calvinism) kicked off with very similar admirable intentions - i.e. individual freedom of worship - but this makes perfect sense. Tout ca change: http://www.thirdway.org/files/world/mayflower.htmlWhat was that Joni Mitchell song about circles?! Ummm donuts... Halos, perhaps? Ah, Circles!
Yeah, OK, total digression, mea culpa.
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07/25/2002 2:33 PM
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It's life Jim, but not as we know it... ;)Could say the same for Wales. Bloody good thing, too!
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07/25/2002 2:50 PM
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What was that Joni Mitchell song about circles?Here ya go, shona...one of my all-time favorites:  The Circle Game
by Joni Mitchell
Yesterday a child came out to wonder
Caught a dragonfly inside a jar
Fearful when the sky was full of thunder
And tearful at the falling of a star
Then the child moved ten times round the seasons
Skated over ten clear frozen streams
Words like when you're older must appease him
And promises of someday make his dreams
And the seasons they go round and round
And the painted ponies go up and down
We're captive on the carousel of time
We can't return we can only look
Behind from where we came
And go round and round and round
In the circle game
Sixteen springs and sixteen summers gone now
Cartwheels turn to car wheels thru the town
And they tell him take your time it won't be long now
Till you drag your feet to slow the circles down
And the seasons they go round and round
And the painted ponies go up and down
We're captive on the carousel of time
We can't return we can only look
Behind from where we came
And go round and round and round
In the circle game
So the years spin by and now the boy is twenty
Though his dreams have lost some grandeur coming true
There'll be new dreams maybe better dreams and plenty
Before the last revolving year is through
And the seasons they go round and round
And the painted ponies go up and down
We're captive on the carousel of time
We can't return we can only look
Behind from where we came
And go round and round and round
In the circle game
Copyright Š Siquomb Publishing Company
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#73779
07/25/2002 3:13 PM
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Is it called a Boston cream? Do people in Boston eat it, or did they invent it?These are called Boston creams, and are modeled on the Boston cream pie, which is similar (cream, chocolate, custard, cake), but the bready part is baked rather than fried. In fact, it's more of a filled cake than a pie. People in Boston do eat them, they do call them that, but I lived in Beantown for 25 years and I've no idea if they were invented there. For them what care (or who click on every link posted), a quick Yahoo search turned up this: http://www.joyofbaking.com/BostonCr.html, which gives a fairly plausible history. As to churros y chocolate - there are few things better! The standard for chocolate in Madrid is that it has to be thick enough for the churro to stand up in it.
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07/26/2002 12:04 PM
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Growing up in the midwest, we never had Boston creme pies. A cake donut with chocolate icing and a custard filling was always called a "Bismarck."
Anyone know why we do this?
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07/26/2002 12:09 PM
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Ack! I never would have remembered this had you not mentioned it! The competing western-Canadian donut chain, Robin's Donuts, calls them Bismarcks instead of Boston Creams. Could it be the western-ness of this chain vs. the eastern-ness of Tim Hortons? Anyone know why Bismarck?
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07/26/2002 12:31 PM
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Which reminds me of :
JFK: 'I am a Jelly Doughnut'
... JFK: 'I Am a Jelly Doughnut'. From the mailbag... ... the story that John F. Kennedy
made a major German language blunder in his famous "Ich bin ein Berliner" ...
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/weekly/aa021700a.htm
More Results From: urbanlegends.about.com
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07/26/2002 1:05 PM
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We'll the Eye's will have it! welcome.
I have heard Boston Creme called Bismarks, but not for eons.. but as soon as i read it..
Maybe called Bismarks because the british navy "creamed" the Bismark? or because Boston cream donuts are so much bigger and heavier? there was the pop hit in the late 50 about sinking the Bismark-- i 'll go see if i can find it.
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07/26/2002 1:15 PM
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Maybe called Bismarks because the british navy "creamed" the Bismark? More likely that the Bismarck was by repute unsinkable I suspect. Interesting this - Brits never say "creamed" although there is an apparent possible Cockney rhyming slang derivation in " cream crackered" = "knackered" I'm assuming that Cockney rhyming slang has been covered, or at least that people know you adopt the word that doesn't rhyme as the alternative word: "I'm just going up the apples" [..and pears = stairs] "Best put on your whistle" [..and flute = suit]
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07/26/2002 1:34 PM
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Yes, but... the british don't call creme filled donuts "bismarks"-- the amerians do, and we do use 'creamed' as expression of complete and total victory.. (i think its from squishing bugs... but i have no reason for that opinion!) and here is the song about the sinking of the Bismark-- scroll down about 3 songs to find it.. its pretty acruate, mentions the Hood, and all. there was a PBS special on last week about the sinking of the bismark, so its rather fresh in my mind.. http://www.allcountry.de/Songbook/Texte_S/Texte_S_05/body_texte_s_05.html
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07/26/2002 2:11 PM
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So, is the doughnut a Bismarck because of how it sinks in your stomach? it is one very heavy doughnut :-)
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07/26/2002 6:45 PM
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You have not lived until you have been to Honolulu, You drive up Kuhio from Waikiki Beach via Kalakaua Avenue until you approach the bridge over Kuhio - there you will find the little bakery on the right - tucked into a tiny corner - where they make *malasadas* (drooool) fresh to order!
Almost square, about the size of the palm of your hand, light flufy inside, crisp outside, sprinkled with sugar....light as an angel's dream (sllluuuurp) and get two dozen because you'll eat a dozen on the way home and not give a dam that your hands are all sticky and there's sugar everywhere! Bliss.
Absolute bliss.
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07/26/2002 7:32 PM
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I feel reasonably certain that they weren't named for the capital of North Dakota, whereas Boston Creams are pretty assuredly from Massachussetts.
Baja Manitoba just can't get any respect.
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07/28/2002 5:31 PM
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Hey, Bean! I was in eastern Michigan this weekend and guess what? There is a Tim Horton's in Lapeer, Michigan. I just had to stop in this morning and give their coffee a try. You are right. It's good, way too hot to hold on to the cup, but good.
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07/29/2002 9:57 PM
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the british don't call creme filled donuts "bismarks"-- the amerians do, and we do use 'creamed' as expression of complete and total victoryWe can both be right on this one, can't we, Helen? It's a donut that's bloody hard to sink, but gets "creamed" by the Allies Thanks for the song link. It was tremendously significant to the Allies - but I recall it was also a stroke of luck coupled with a very bad strategic move by the Bismarck's captain, is that right? i think its from squishing bugs... but i have no reason for that opinion!Yeah, no-one's risen to the "cockney rhyming slang" bait yet, either. May have to start a new thread!
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07/29/2002 10:12 PM
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Talk about not rising to bait! I'm still chuckling about "intromission being a form of dunking".
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07/30/2002 2:49 AM
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It was tremendously significant to the Allies - but I recall it was also a stroke of luck coupled with a very bad strategic move by the Bismarck's captain, is that right?
So you see, Shona...calling the Bismarck unsinkable was a titanic mistake! sorry, somebody had to say it
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07/30/2002 3:15 AM
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The Partially True History of the Doughnut Many historians died to get this information on the web. Use this knowledge with great care: http://www.elliskaiser.com/doughnuts/history.htmlAlso, Doughnut Philosophy here! And doughnut eating tips! TIP #2 Water, tea, and wine are generally considered inappropriate for doughnuts although there is still some debate over drinking beer with them.And all this on one tasty site!
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07/30/2002 8:48 AM
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Talk about not rising to bait! I'm still chuckling about "intromission being a form of dunking".Thanks for rising to my bait, Dr Bill.
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07/30/2002 12:04 PM
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Re:. It was tremendously significant to the Allies - but I recall it was also a stroke of luck coupled with a very bad strategic move by the Bismarck's captain, is that right?
Yes, it was a series of lucky bits..
First, a Norwegian member of the underground, saw the newly completed Bismarck steaming north (going up into arctic, to circle round Iceland, and "surprize" convoys by appearing in the mid atlantic) so the british knew were the bismark was, and laid in wait, at the other side of Iceland.
TheHood was there,, and up to the match..Well, not quite... The Hood was sunk by the Bismarck, an breaking all the laws of the sea, they refused to remain long enough to pick up the sailors, since they suspected rightfully, that there were more british and allied ships as back ups on the way.
The Hood had gotten off a few torpedos before being sunk, and while none were enought to sink the Bismarck they did hit one below the water line, and the Bismarck was taking on water. And worse, it had damaged the oil lines, so 1) they were contaminated with sea water, and 2) the back up lines were leaking too, so they were losing oil presure, and could not maintain speed -- since the bismarck was then the fastest thing going, getting away from the Hood, and Allied patrol boats was dependant on speed.
but the bismarck almost made it.. But the captain was convinced he hadn't! So he broke radio silence, and gave away his postition! but the bismarck had moved out of range of all of the british fleet..
a last ditch attempt was made using torpedos mounted on bi-planes, with canvas wings! The bismarck was at the very end of their flying range.. Seas were rough, and droping a torpedo off a airplane as new... There was one direct hit.. it destroyed the rudder, and now, the bismarck was almost a drift..
The admiralty planned to have another attack by the bi-planes, but bits and pieces of the navy moved into place, catching up to the now slow, and rudderless Bismarck the sea men wanted to finish her off, and did.. it was payback for the lost men of the Hood.
and that is my some total of knowledge about the sinking of the bismarck!
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07/30/2002 12:23 PM
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My first job as a young'un was at a donut shop, affectionately called 'The Donut Hole' (original I'm sure...). I filled many a bismarck in Belvidere, Illinois (midwesterners call them bismarcks too) with cream, custard, lemon, raspberry and even blueberry. We also specialized in bear claws. Bismarcks could be sugar glazed, white or chocolate glazed, or merely topped with cane sugar. I had a mighty strong right arm after a summer of filling hundreds a night.
Another favorite I had was a creme horn. Anyone ever had one?? I don't remember how exactly they were made but they were 5 or 6" of flaky fried dough filled with fluffy white creme. They looked like little dunce hats. Almost as much fun to play with as to eat!
Won't hardly touch a donut now though.......blech. Maybe an occasional Krispy Kreme glazed, but that's it.
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07/30/2002 1:54 PM
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Hey, Bean! I was in eastern Michigan this weekend and guess what? There is a Tim Horton's in Lapeer, Michigan. I just had to stop in this morning and give their coffee a try. You are right. It's good, way too hot to hold on to the cup, but good.
Oh Connie, I am so excited for you! I heard that Tim's was expanding to the US but then heard no more. As for the heat - you can ask for a double cup, if you want. My husband always gets a "large double double" (two creams, two sugars) so his is cooler than mine, which is "medium two sugars", and doesn't have the cooling power of the cream. I'm often given a double cup without asking for it.
Anyway, it would be an interesting experiment to try ordering a "Large [or medium or small] double double" to see if they know what it is. I get the feeling it's a Canada-specific (especially Tim-Horton's-specific) phrase, though I have no confirmation of that.
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07/30/2002 2:07 PM
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(tweren't me that done turned this into a food thread) From the TH web site: As of December 2001, there are over 140 Tim Hortons locations in the United States. These are situated in the greater Detroit area, Bay City, Midland, Saginaw and Flint (Michigan); Columbus and Toledo (Ohio); Buffalo and Jamestown (New York); and Portland, Lewiston and Auburn (Maine). Future expansion and opportunities will continue in these markets as well as Rochester (New York) and Erie (PA).Oddly, they are owned by Wendy's (is that a Canadian co.??). http://www.timhortons.comin fact, I tried to stay in a word vein by introducing the naughty "intromission" and nobody got it, or chose to comment on it, except Dr Bill, as expected)
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07/30/2002 2:17 PM
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Poor AnnaStrophic-- but its kind of hard when the word is "Donuts" not to veer off on to donuts.. but i picked up on Fishona's responce and worked the history angle...(not that i haven't done my part to keep focused on the food aspect..
and no responce on "creamed" meaning total vanquished.. Fishona thinks cockney rhyming slang.. i think its from squishing bugs...
But i think creamed is like woody-- it could be about food, (creamed corn) or about victory, or it could end up being bawdy..there are way to many meanings to cream, creamy, creamed, and associated words!
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07/30/2002 2:18 PM
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Trolling through the "about Wendy's" pages reveals that no, Wendy's is not Canadian, which does not particularly surprise me because Dave Thomas has a very strong USn accent, at least to my ears. Apparently Wendy's and Tim's merged in 1995. (Why does this sound like a gossip column?) Tim's was started in 1964, by some guy named Ron Joyce who partnered with Tim Horton (an NHL player).
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07/30/2002 2:49 PM
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Wendy's (is that a Canadian co.??).
no siree
The first Wendy's is in downtown Columbus, Ohio. My grandfather was the manager of a paint supplies store in Columbus and my uncle worked for him when Dave Thomas came in to buy supplies for his first restaurant.
[EDIT] and btw, Wendy's is based in Dublin, Ohio, a suburb of Columbus.
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