Some of the tricks referred to in this document can be found in the equalizer thread, here
http://wordsmith.org/board/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=announcements&Number=73056&page=2&view=collapsed&sb=5

most of this was originally posted there, but has been edited since then, and will be edited again.

If you want to understand what is going on, you have to realize, Keiva's behaviors are all just a bag of tricks. And the more you know the tricks, the easier you can watch him attempt to pull the wool over your eyes. (Like the magician who directs you to look here and hope you miss the slight of hand going on here)

EDIT: 6/26/02 In addition to all his other nasty posts, and tricks, KEIVA is a stalker. He was seen 300 miles from his home, in another state, less than 20 miles away from a gathering to which he was clearly, and straightforwardly told he was not welcome to attend. Beware of him.

Trick 1- a kind of switch and bait

Keiva, in an underhanded, deceitful way, uses others. He quotes others to show how he is in agreement with Person X, about the behavior of person Y, when in fact, nothing is further from the truth. He cutting back on this, because every time he does it to me, or to musick or to consuelo, we object.– and he would just as soon not have anyone notice his tricks.
In the collected quote of the equalizer thread, he quotes Harry Truman. In KEIVAWorld, Harry Truman agrees with Keiva, and well, he was a president and True Man, so KEIVA thinks he must be a man too. NO KEIVA, in you case, anatomy is not destiny. You are not a man.

Trick 2- the double standard
When its pointed out, clearly, without resorting to foul language, line by line, how his behavior is underhand, hurtful, rude or an out and out lie, then, keiva just bows out, and says the person who is doing the reasoned rebutal, that they should sleep on it.. he doesn't apologies, he doesn't stop behaving in a deceitful way, he implies, that person is wrong (with out any of his long, details proof statement {see url above}) and he is the injured party. he is hurt by someone pointing out the truth of his behavior, and that he will kindly let us drop the subject.

Not that he ever drops it, when he thinks someone else has committed a wrong.. no, then its gets harped on, to be 'helpful", he brings it up, again and again.

Trick 3 or maybe just 2 b, crying foul, when none exist.

When some one points out clearly, carefully and politely that he has been harsh or nasty, he suggest, well, maybe, there is some merit, but he is not sure, and that he is going to wait for the majority to weigh in.
Once they do, and agree that Keiva's behavior is not pleasant, not nice, not fair, then he cries "foul" and complains, "everybody is picking on me" "poor me"–so the only "judgement" that he will accept is that he is faultless!-- or he claims that while 20 or 30 people agree, that is not enough... he claims there are "secret" supporters afraid to post. we have yet to see them.

Trick 4, –Lets do the twist!

this is a subtle one.. He attempts to agree, when he really disagrees. And then attempts to get the other party to agree with him..
He sounds oh, so reasonable, and nice, but he is attempting to twist things.. He claims to agree, but he it attempting to get you to agree with what he wants.. You, or any one else in red, Keiva in blue
I don't want X! , of course, you don't have to have X, but i want x, and x is half the size of X, so surely you'll do x, it's a little request, just a small thing.. (and you'll do as i want, not as you want, won't you?) and if you don't cave in, he hauls out the threat.. or implies a threat..

he never quite says the words in italics, but they are there, unspoken, implied, as things can be in English

Trick 5, the best defense is a good offence!

if there is no defense for his actions, attack the person who has pointed out the indefensable actions. and try to force them into defending themselves.. Which is how he "defended" ewein's yart, by saying its not fair and haven't i done the same.. Or by pointing out my spelling error when there was nothing else he could argue with in my posts.

trick 6- the implied sexual slur
if it's a woman who has bested you, turn the thread into one about words that reduce woman to sexual anatomical terms. Use trick 1, and quote someone else if you can. That way, you get to blame someone else (i didn't say it, i am just pointed out so and so did!)The first post he made as AphonicRants was just that sort. Look at it.
He used an anagram of a woman on-line name, and here is what he had to say
http://wordsmith.org/board/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=announcements&Number=66680

trick 7- Change the subject,

not used very often, but if some one, say Jackie, clearly express the pain you have caused her, and speaks of her pain, don't apologizes, or acknowledge, but ignore it (after all he thinks him exempt from the rules he would impose on others.)

Change the subject, and talk about your own pain. he had to go back 10 year, to an incident when there was a shooting at his children's school. he kids were fine, but he was frighted.. and doesn't he deserve sympathy for his pain.. Ignore the pain he has caused Jackie and other, and feel for him.

Trick 8 or is trick 5 B?

When keiva's is losing, he launches a full out attack, with a new thread, and quotes and diagrams, and hopes that no one goes back and reads everything. Because he doesn't quote everything. He picks and chooses.. he leaves out his snide comments, or edits them out, and quotes others.

trick 9 quote some poetry, or gilbert and sullivan or anyone, and let them prove your points.. its a version of trick 1, but looks very different..

and trick 10-- its reasoned dialog.. when i posted this list of tricks, and pointed out in the thread how he used them, he replied, Of troy, I'll be glad to discuss my behavior any time, but based upon specific data --
You see, in a reasoned dialog, he get to decide what is going to be discussed, and its never going to be his behavior. So any discussion with him is from the outset, unreasonable, from any rational point of view.

And if that were not enough, there are Keiva's alter egos (his ego is much to big to be contained in one on-line name) One, is an insulting paroday of an other persons on-line name.

and last, but not least, when the detail of his nastiness were last laid out, in came mrs. keiva, pretending to be a total innocent, here to defend this poor man, picked on by all these mean people.
he hid behind his wife, He took her hostage. This is a man who is a bully, a tyrant. he has bullied and lied, and made problems for every one. There is no reasoning with him.


He was banned from this site, and got back by threats.
The truth is not flaming, the truth is not spam.

It is his own actions that lead us to say, Go away Keiva. You are not welcome here.



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