#72114
06/07/2002 5:25 AM
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(or "colors" for them thar US'ns in the crowd)
I was driving in the country round about here recently, and all the lilacs are in bloom. This gave rise to some meandering in my brain about colours....Why do some things become colours, and not others? how does it happen? does the colour ever precede - and therefore give the name to - the thing?
Of course, there are some "pure" colour names: the primaries of red, blue and yellow; the secondaries of green, orange and purple. Some other colours are, to the best of my knowledge, "just" colours: brown, grey, mauve, pink, scarlet, crimson. But there are all kinds of shades of colour (and meaning).
Who decided that pale purple should be "lilac"? And when you talk about "coffee" (more often "coffee-coloured" actually), do you mean before or after you've added the cream? And what about cream? and ivory? periwinkle? cinnamon? wine? burgundy? rose? saffron? ochre? lemon? peach?
How does something give its name to a colour? by being the Platonic ideal of that shade of colour? (like a lemon? being the lemon-est?)
Gad, lookit the time. I KNEW I shouldn't return to AWADtalk!
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#72115
06/07/2002 1:39 PM
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I recall reading of a young man, blind since birth, who was stunned to discover that the fruit we call an orange is in fact orange in colo(u)r.
Which usage of that word came first: as a colo(u)r, or as a fruit?
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#72116
06/08/2002 2:52 AM
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I found this.. which i love.. but i realized, i was really thinking of an other poem.. maybe i can find it.. a something tells me its by Christina Rossetti..
but for colors, this is beautiful!
Emily Dickinson (1830–86). Complete Poems. 1924.
I ’LL tell you how the sun rose,—
A ribbon at a time.
The steeples swam in amethyst,
The news like squirrels ran.
The hills untied their bonnets, 5
The bobolinks begun.
Then I said softly to myself,
“That must have been the sun!”
But how he set, I know not.
There seemed a purple stile 10
Which little yellow boys and girls
Were climbing all the while
Till when they reached the other side,
A dominie in gray
Put gently up the evening bars, 15
And led the flock away.
and amethyst reminds me.. (please help whitmen..)
the Paul Simon song, For Emily, When i Find Her..
What a dream i had, dress in organdy,
of smoky amethyst--
well something like that..only better! i remember it as filled with colors.. but i suspect is not filled, but just a few wonderful colors..like smokey amethyst!
its an old one..from the days of Simon and Garfunkle.
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#72117
06/08/2002 4:07 AM
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what a dream I had
pressed in organdy
clothed in crinoline of smoky burgundy
softer than the rain
i wandered empty streets down
past the shop displays
i heard cathedral bells
tripping down the alley ways
as I walked on
and when you ran to me
your cheeks flushed with the night
we walked on frosted fields of juniper and lamplight
i held your hand
and when i awoke and felt you warm and near
i kissed your honey hair with my grateful tears
oh, i love you
oh, i love you
There ya go of Troy
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#72118
06/09/2002 12:14 AM
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Re: Does the colour ever precede - and therefore give the name to - the thing?
Once-- at least! Compounds formed from the element chromium are brilliantly colored green, red and yellow. So Vauquelin, a french chemist who first described the pure element, named it chrome, after the greek khroma, color! (the pure element is a greyish white.) its also used as a mordant when dying cloth.
it was soon latinize to chromium.
chrome green is a rich medium green (racing green it is sometimes called-- similar to the green silks worn by War Emblems jockey)
Chrome yellow is a bright, brilliant yellow (safety yellow) and is often seen in underpaints or primers, since it offers rust protection.
chrome red is slightly orangish red, not a pure red, and most certainly not a blue red.
the color sense of khroma is also used in commercial words, like koda-chrome for kodak brand of color film.
chromogen was a term for a small substantance that was or could be pigmented with dye, and chromosomes were first seen because they absorbed a dye!
lots of other chrome/chroma words all to do with color.
most art stores would have these pigments, if you wanted to see them first hand.
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#72119
06/11/2002 3:06 AM
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Colours in art stores do fascinate me. I worked (very briefly) in an art supply store and found the names of the colours very romantic or fascinating (or both, sometimes!): naples yellow, alizerin crimson, and I wish I could remember more of them - most seemed to be very poetic.
I always enjoy looking through crayon and pencil-crayon colours, to see the names the creators have come up with to describe the colours. In the big packs you almost always had gold, silver, bronze, copper, ochre, burnt umber, etc. "Peach" seems to have replaced "skin" (certainly more politically correct, and I suspect more accurate, period). Even black, in some packs, is not merely black but rather "midnight black."
Is "steel blue" more of a grey colour, really?
and howcum "lilac" describes a pale purple - mauve really - when there are dark purple, and white, lilacs, as well as the pretty, pale, in-between ones?
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#72120
06/11/2002 12:17 PM
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Dear MG: the craziest colour names are those given automobiles. The first car I
owned was "Arabian Meadow Green". I doubt that there are many green meadows
in Arabia. I've never seen a picture of grass there. And I think the etymology of
"meadow" is "ow"="cultivated field" and "mead"="mowed" I doubt that there is
much hay made in Arabia. They raise plenty of horses, but I wonder what they
graze on.
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#72121
06/11/2002 4:05 PM
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1. There can never be too many tints, tones, or shades of purple for me!
2. I will definetly take the time to watch the sun set tonight.
3. Y'all make me want to take out the brushes and colo(u)rs and get started on something today!
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#72122
06/11/2002 4:27 PM
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Y'all make me want to take out the brushes and colo(u)rs and get started on something today!O wow, I hope you DO! perhaps when the sun is setting! I'm with you on the purple - my favourite colour. This all reminds me of an inneresting colour chart a friend sent me - it purports to indicate what you're like in bed  depending on what your favourite colour is. All I can say is, I humbly submit that they're wrong when it comes to purple....! I will try to find it and post it here, if anyone's interested. Bill, you make an interesting point about car colours. I've no idea what they dreamed up for mine (it's a very bright blue and I bought it second-hand), but an old boyfriend of mine drove a car that the manufacturers, in their infinite wisdom, had seen fit to paint a colour they called "rusty red." When I started going out with this fellow, the car was badly rusted, so when he told me it was a rusty red car, I thought he meant it was a rusty, red car!
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#72123
06/11/2002 4:48 PM
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Re: 3) Y'all make me want to take out the brushes and colo(u)rs and get started on something today!
my favorite medium, bar none, is water soluable pencils..
they are a fortune, but worth every penny.
they look like regular colored pencils, and draw like colored pencils.. ( which are a much easier medium than either crayons or paint)
but then, you take a paint brush, and when you wet the pencil marks, they melt into a water color paint on the spot! a light going over page with the pencil, and a wet brush, you have a wash more pigment, less water, more control.. and you don't have to wet all the pigment, and you can go over it again, to add stuff.. (so a red scalloped circle becomes a fluid red, which can be reworked, again.. wet or dri.
barely damp brushes, gently blur colors. and the pencils make it easy to blend. you can get increadible water color effects.. with very little skill! (don't go in an art store for 24 hours now, or you'll look at them, and try them, and then, you'll buy them!
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#72124
06/11/2002 5:08 PM
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water soluble pencils
of troy, I recall an coloring implement (is it a water-soluble pencil?) that goes by the trade-name Caran d'Ache, the pronunciation of which would be identical with the russian word meaning "pencil".
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#72125
06/11/2002 11:41 PM
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water soluble pencils
I am not much of an artist, but these sound like they would be easy to use, as well as fun to experiment with. Can you blend the colors easily, or do they come in 1,001 shades? I mean, is it 24 colors, and you can put one on top of the other before wetting, or do you need multiple shades of each color?
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#72126
06/12/2002 12:04 AM
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yes, of course you can blend shades.. and yes, they come in sets of 12, 24, 36, 50 (but at about $2.25 per pencil, a set of 24 cost over $50!) Derwentwater (an English company) is one company that make them, and there are other brands.. you can get stubby travel pencils set in 8 colors too.
when dry, and going on, they are just like any colored pencil-- you can sharpen them and get really fine points, or lay them almost flat and skirt of the paper to fill in large areas..
and after you have blended say, greens for fields, and roughed in some grey for stones, and blended them wet, you wait till they dry, and can draw in finer details.. shadows on rocks.. little flowers in the washed green field..tufts of grass growing in the crannies of the stone wall. then, gentle, barely dampen them, just to blur the edges a little,and now it looks like you are an skilled artist, who can work both wet and dry water colors!
Do not, i repeat, do not go into an art store in the next 24 hours, unless you have an extra $60 bucks-- if you once try them, you will want them, and the 50 pencil pack, will tug at you! forget you read this post..
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#72127
06/12/2002 12:10 AM
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LMAO! I did say: " I am not much of an artist, It just sounds so easy and fun! But, I think I will follow your advice and stay out of the art store for the next 24 hours! Thanks, of troy, for shining a light here for me. 
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#72128
06/12/2002 9:46 AM
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One of the reasons that men and women cannot get along is that most men see only red, green, blue, black, and brown. Stop lights are red. Go lights are green. Police lights are blue. Night is black. Poop is brown. Men are pretty basic, you see. Puce? Mauve? Taupe? Chartueuse? Men don't talk this way!  Now, I'm goin' back to my cave to chew mastodon bones.
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#72129
06/12/2002 10:50 AM
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To show my childish side - when I was a kid, we had these colouring books... but they were SPECIAL colouring books, because all you had to do was brush water over the colours on the page - and viola! a 5-year-old was doing water colours! of course, with NO control over the brush, you could easily end up with browny swirls all over the place and no delicate little colours like you were meant to get.
Does anyone else remember these books? Actually, I'm sure I saw a young cousin with one not too long ago...
alex
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#72130
06/12/2002 11:25 AM
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...SPECIAL colouring books, because all you had to do was brush water over the colours on the page....OH! Yes! I had these for my kids when they were little. But trying to get them to use almost a dry brush to activate each color individually was tough! I remember that the color appeared as patterns on each individual section...some stripes, polka dots, stars, etc.! What fun! Thank you for bringing this memory back! Now I will have to see if they still make them. After all, I am a granny now and can go through the whole process with another generation.
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#72131
06/12/2002 12:21 PM
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all you had to do was brush water over the colours on the page - and viola!Wowee! Could you also get violins and cellos?
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#72132
06/12/2002 2:29 PM
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Geoff, you naughty man. You make me !
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