#71804
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I don't know of this has come up before. If so, bad luck:-) Those foreign to English often pronounce this word differently than I, and it got me wondering about whether I'm really saying it correctly. At dictionary.com I found some interesting notes on this one: http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=buryAnd that pretty much answered half my question. It seems bury is generally spoken exactly the same as 'berry', or rather it rhymes with it as the link questions; 'Why does bury rhyme with berry?' it asks. It states how in certain parts of England bury was/is pronounced biry, boory (like jury) and bery. Fair enough, nothing uncommon. English students often opt for a pronunciation more like one of those rough, prickly husks, a burr, with a 'y' on the end though - and why not? One might agree that at least some would pronounce the 'bury' in Canterbury as such, as long as the '-bury' part is not swallowed as '-bry'. Or would you exclusively go for something like canterbery or cantabery? Am I making myself clear? - Probably not. p.s. How do you lot pronounce library, btw? ... ducking for cover [g]
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05/30/2002 7:23 PM
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I don't know if it is common but I pronounce differently:
bury = burr + ee
buried = berried
burial = burr + ial
Library = lye + brare + ee
(is there more than one way to pronounce library?)
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05/30/2002 7:27 PM
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is there more than one way to pronounce library?
The first r is silent.
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#71807
05/30/2002 7:31 PM
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> The first r is silent.
Have we an authority amongst us? [g]
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05/30/2002 7:40 PM
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> bury = burr + ee Good to hear that some first language speakers do. I think you are in the minority with your 'burr + ee' version BelM, but certainly not alone. Canadians also say 'to-more-row' for tomorrow too, so I'd hardly expect a normal pronunciation of 'bury'.  Perhaps your pronunciation is fairly standard in Canada?
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Perhaps your pronunciation is fairly standard in Canada?Or perhaps bel is not a "first-language speaker"? I do the 'berry' thang, too. And 'li-berry' jocularly [ahem] 'February' I avoid altogether!
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05/30/2002 8:01 PM
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Now wait a minute there mister  ...isn't tomorrow always pronounced to-more-row??? Perhaps your pronunciation is fairly standard in Canada?I"m not sure on that. Because of the French influence in Québec there are some pronunciations that are different.
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05/30/2002 8:56 PM
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> isn't tomorrow always pronounced to-more-row Errrr, no. Though my written form may be unclear to you. The pronunciation of this word and others like it (e.g. 'bore-row' for borrow) is a 'secret' way to tell Canadians and USn's from one another. This vowel sound is the main difference between the two accents, but not the only. In ordinary language you don't have to wait too long before being able to confirm from which side of the border the person comes through this. Most of the time I can quickly single a suspect North American accent, I then wait for the 'to-more-row' confirmation - or alternatively an 'eh' at the end of a sentence before breaking open the maple syrup;-)
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05/30/2002 9:00 PM
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eh?? and pass the maple syrup please.
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05/30/2002 9:05 PM
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05/30/2002 9:38 PM
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In Alabama :
Library--> (slowly now)--> Lie- buh- rare- ree. -  -
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05/30/2002 9:39 PM
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How do you lot pronounce library, btw? ... ducking for cover
From Gilbert and Sullivan's Iolanthe (the Fairy Queen, followed by the Lord Chancellor):
Oh! Chancellor unwary
It's highly necessary
Your tongue to teach / Respectful speech--
Your attitude to vary!
Your badinage so airy,
Your manner arbitrary,
Are out of place / When face to face
With an influential Fairy.
A plague on this vagary,
I'm in a nice quandary!
Of hasty tone /With dames unknown
I ought to be more chary;
It seems that she's a fairy
From Andersen's library,
And I took her for / The proprietor
Of a Ladies' Seminary!
[ducking for cover -e]
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05/30/2002 9:46 PM
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Children here go to LIE-berries;
grownups go to LIE-bragh-reez.
Children and grownups here berry objects in the sand. If they buried berries in the sand, it would be a berry berrial.
If the berry berrial occured the day following today, it would occur too-MAW-roe.
Berry regards,
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05/31/2002 12:01 AM
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buryInterestingly enough, there is a newscaster named Chris Bury who fills in for Ted Koppel on Nightline, and is Koppel's heir apparant should he ever leave. And Chris Bury pronounces his name bure-ee as in jury. I guess the family changed the pronunciation to avoid the negative connotation. However, name entymology is usually pretty dead-on (unless the spelling's been changed, or they've been Anglicized or Americanized)...so, a millenium or so ago, when they were first attaching names, the first Bury was prolly a gravedigger...and originally pronounced that way. (and if you were famed for intimidating the enemy by the menacing way you found of shaking your speare at them in the charge, well...  ...good thing Will's forebears weren't known for dropping their speares, eh? Dropspeare would be such a bummer...but then, once it attained the same legendary status praps Dropspeare would bear the same respectful resonance after all?..it's the work, not the name, right?)
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05/31/2002 12:08 AM
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good thing Will's forebears weren't known for dropping their speares, eh? Dropspeare would be such a bummer
Had they been Dropspeare's, Will likely would not have been around to experience the displeasure of carrying around such a name.
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05/31/2002 12:23 AM
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05/31/2002 12:30 AM
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Had they been Dropspeare's, Will likely would not have been around to experience the displeasure of carrying around such a name.Good point, Jazzo! Uh, spearepoint that is!
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05/31/2002 12:40 AM
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If you mean that pronunciation of family names is a reliable guide to how the word was pronounced, I would want to check that with all the Deaths and Deadmans around here first.Pronounced, on the most part, as Deeths and Deedmans, no doubt? Wonder what one had to be up to in antiquity to be dubbed with such a monicker? And why would one allow such a name to stick? "You're a deadman!" "Cool! I kinda like that name! You can keep calling me that if you like...
uh, instead of killin' me."
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05/31/2002 1:12 AM
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I just asked my husband, a non native English speaker, and he pronounces it the burr-ee way, I do berry. His library is without the first r. The word makes perfect sense to him because the verb lie is,to lend, in German.
The pronunciation of Nevada as Nevahda bugs me.
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05/31/2002 1:20 AM
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The pronunciation of Nevada as Nevahda bugs me.Hi pjandq, so is it your hubby that pronounces it Nevahda.
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05/31/2002 11:07 AM
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How *would you prononuce it, Nuh-vay-duh?
Or wait, wait, I know. Nay BAH thah (that's with a voiced th as in than)
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05/31/2002 12:51 PM
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Hi belligerent one,
I don't think any Brits have responded to this one yet, so I'll summarize my own pronunciations. I'd have to add that these may well be subject to regional variations (my "region" being essentially Southern England, with a smidgeon of Midlands and the merest dash of West Country to the way I talk):
bury = BEH-ree
library = LIBE-ruh-ree
Canterbury = CAN-tuh-BUH-ree
(the first "r" is almost, but not quite, sounded)
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05/31/2002 1:50 PM
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Death is pronounced D'ath
When I first read this I pronounced the last bit with a long rather than short "a" (ARTH rather than AFF):
"If you only knew the power of the Dark Side" [hrrrrssssgghh]
Shame that's not the pronunciation, really. Oh well.
But incidentally, I've known a couple of "Deadman"s who pronounce the name exactly as it looks.
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05/31/2002 4:01 PM
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eh?Wouldn't that be hein for you, belM, eh ? For no good reason, I just remembered the 12 days of Christmas (cross-threading here) and that the French for partridge is perdrix (pehr-dree). [musical notes (quavers)] "And a partri-idge in a per-drix" [musical notes (dotted crotchet and minim)]
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05/31/2002 6:15 PM
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I pronounce bury as berry
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library as lie~brayer~ee with the middle sylable almost said like the 2 sylable prayer without the y in the middle. Make sense?
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05/31/2002 7:09 PM
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isn't tomorrow always pronounced to-more-row??? Not when it's pronounced to-marr-oh (like Annie does in the song)  .
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always pronounced
Not when
I don't think *any word in English is *ever always pronounced some particular way.
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05/31/2002 8:23 PM
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I don't think *any word in English is *ever always pronounced some particular way...unless it were recorded of course, Fal Reminds me of a recording I heard of someone reading out the Canter bury Tales something like it would (supposedly) have been spoken in Chaucer's time. Great fun. All throat-clearing, burrring and trillling.
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The only difference here between "Darth" and D'ath" is the glottal stop
Brilliant. That's made my day, Max.
[takes another gulp of Snake's Armpit, that world-famous extra strong brew]
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So is the "glottal stop" where Darth Vader goes [CLiCK] at the end of a breath?
[innocence]
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I took a class on Chaucer and one of our tests was to meet with the Professor and read a passage with the "proper" pronunciation.
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Chaucer tests..."proper" pronunciation. Did this professor have any other sadistic tendencies then, pj ? Although I'd loved to have been a fly on the wall.
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Thank you, I always thought it a bit weird. But then I didn't do very well on the test. I remember he asked the class if anyone would be interested in taking a class in learning how to "speak" (I guess that would be the word) Middle Age English. Not one hand went up.
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how to "speak" (I guess that would be the word) Middle Age English
Well, it could actually be fun. Of course it would be a bit of a work of fiction, as would speaking Latin. You can never know exactly how the tongues would have sounded.
Perhaps we'd be surprised at the familiarity of certain sounds if we did have a time machine?
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