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#70458
05/20/2002 9:56 PM
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Well, Silk, I've done it, too--repeated information. Goes with the turf here and skimming threads as we all probably do from time to time.
Once this weekend when I needed to delete a post and couldn't because it was in the body of the thread with posts following it, I just deleted the contents, returned to the thread, then edited my "Post Deleted by Wordwind" (or some such language), and added some text to the deletion.
Now that's a dubious solution, but a solution expressed in a whirl. One of the more tech-savvy beings here might have a more practical solution--that is, if you ever really want to delete a post in the body of a bunch of posts. There are good reasons for deletions, such as finding out later that your post appears twice in a row--and that has happened to me several times.
Best regards,
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#70459
05/20/2002 11:20 PM
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Your mea culpa's are more than enough (but a sweet note to Geoff isn't totally out of order) as Ms WW points out, we have all made mistakes!
welcome to the world we tear your head off for a mistake, and then say, Oh, it wasn't anything at all to worry about.. there is no pleasing us!
but seriously, i am glad you didn't delete. our mistakes, are legion, and add to the fun.. you correct geoff, we correct you , and someone will correct me..
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#70460
05/20/2002 11:43 PM
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you correct geoff, we correct you , and someone will correct me.
That is completely correct.
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#70461
05/20/2002 11:49 PM
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I'm busted
Oh, we ain't got a barrel of money, we may ragged and funny,
but we'll travel along, singing this song, side by side
Ray Charles: (I can't put this in the green, can I?)
My bills are all due and the baby needs shoes and I'm busted
Cotton is down to a quarter a pound, but I'm busted
I got a cow that went dry and a hen that won't lay
A big stack of bills that gets bigger each day
The country's gonna haul my belongings away cause I'm busted
We went to your brother to ask for a loan cause you're busted
I hate to beg like a dog without his bone, but I'm busted
My brother said there ain't a thing I can do
My wife and my kids are all down with the flu
And I was just thinking about calling on you ´cause I'm busted
Well I am no thief, but a man can go wrong when he's busted
The food that we canned last Summer is gone and I'm busted
The fields are all bare and the cotton can't grow
Me and my family got to pack up and go
But we'll make a living, just where we don't know cause I'm busted
I'm broke, no bread, no potatoes, I mean like nothing
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#70462
05/21/2002 1:58 PM
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Where'd that snake-eyes quote come from, anyway?
I'm guessing it's from Buffy the Vampire Slayer. There's a character named Willow in it. Plus, the quote smacks of the speaking/writing style on the show.
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#70463
05/21/2002 2:12 PM
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"Craps or Dice is one of the fastest and most exciting games to be found in any casino. The game
of Craps is thought to have come from the southern United States. Adapted from the English game
of Hazard, popular around the 1800's, the game was played in the cotton fields and later spread
up the Mississippi. The usual locations for Dice games would be steamboats, river wharf's, docks
and saloons. Throughout this period the game was largely reinvented into the modern 'Bank Craps'.
Dice today, may still be heard to be called 'African Dominoes' and of course the history of dice
goes way back. When Caesar took his army across the Rubicon, against the wishes of the Roman
Senate, he used the words of a dice player "Iacta alea est" the die is cast. "
The place of origin suggests origin of phrase 'snake eyes' .
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#70464
05/21/2002 2:17 PM
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Why craps? Seems a funny word for a game.
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#70466
05/21/2002 3:20 PM
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Looks like a fan fiction site (since I don't recall Xander ever taking a job as a male stripper!). I didn't read the whole thing but the line is very consistent with the actual character of Xander from the show.
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#70467
05/21/2002 7:36 PM
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My response, to Angel's Shakespeare-quote above, seems to fit better under the thread on "windy expostulations".
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05/22/2002 3:34 AM
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If it's zero degrees outside today and it's supposed to
be twice as cold tomorrow, how cold is it going to be?
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05/22/2002 1:17 PM
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Zero degrees with a strong wind is twice as cold. I'm reminded of a story I read in Chemistry book a long time. Somebody persuaded the Czar of Russia to have all the Army's buttons made of pure tin. There is one problem though, which was not known to the button makers. I think it is at forty below zero Centigrade (which happens to be same as forty below Fahrenheit), pure metallic tin becomes a powder!
which to me evokes a ludicrous visual image of a long column of half frozen Russkies having to hold up their trousers with both hands.
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05/22/2002 1:23 PM
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I think it is at forty below zero Centigrade (which happens to be same as forty below Fahrenheit), pure metallic tin becomes a powder!As I recall, the pipes of the church organ in the great cathedral of St. Petersburg, being made of tin (as was the then-practice), collapsed completely during a cold snap. Edit: "A cathedral in St. Petersburg (now Leningrad) installed a magnificant organ with tin pipes. Came a cold, cold winter and the pipes disintegrated--which is how chemists learned about white tin and gray tin. Ordinary metallic 'white tin' is stable only at relatively warm temperatures. In winter cold, there is a tendency for it to turn into a crumbly nonmetallic 'gray tin.'" Isaac Asimov's Book of Facts, p. 246) http://www.joesabah.com/dseibert/021.htm; near the bottom
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05/22/2002 1:27 PM
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Dear Bean: I am going bananas trying to remember term for an element changing characteristics in this way.
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05/22/2002 1:32 PM
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bill, polymorphous (in the chemical sense) is not quite right, but perhars may trigger some memories. Edit: pleomorphism may be synonymous. Edit: The forms are called allotropes and the transformation is called a reconstructive transformation. For tin, the equilibrium termperature for the transformation is (at normal atmosphreric pressure) 13.2 degrees C. http://www.msm.cam.ac.uk/Teaching/pastpapers/1998-IA.pdf, at bottom of page 5
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05/22/2002 1:46 PM
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Polymorphism seems an acceptable description, but I am sure there is another special term. And I actually think it was at minus fourteen degrees that the transition in tin takes place. It was over sixty years ago that I read it, and no refreshment since. Dear Bean, where are you when we need you?
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05/22/2002 1:54 PM
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I know what you mean, Dr. Bill, I think there is a specific word for a sudden change of state like that - the crystal lattice must suddenly re-arrange into a state with lower energy. Crystallization is the closest I can think of but it's not the one I'm looking for. Let me ponder on it - I don't have any solid state physics books around me right now.
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05/22/2002 2:29 PM
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Dear Bean: I found a chemistry glossary that had "allotrope" which seems close but not word I knew:
allotrope. allotropy; allotropic; allotropism. Compare with isotope and polymorph.
Some elements occur in several distinct forms called allotropes. Allotropes have different
chemical and physical properties. For example, graphite and diamond are allotropes of
carbon.
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05/22/2002 3:04 PM
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Bill, see my edits above, with links, made about 80 minutes ago. I guess I should have put them in separate posts, but I didn't want to overpost!
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05/22/2002 3:14 PM
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Dear Ken: I think it obviously should be minus 13 degrees C. As I said I wasn't sure of temperature given in the book so long ago, and used forty just to be sure I picked a low enough temperature. I wonder what kind of a medal the guy who persuaded the Czar to have tin used got. At the very least, he should have gotten "a tin ear."
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05/22/2002 3:28 PM
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I think it obviously should be minus 13 degrees C.although the transition temperature (below which grey tin is the stable allotrope) is 13.2 degrees C, in practice the transformation does not occur at an appreciable rate above about -15 degrees, reaching a maximum at about -30 degrees and becoming very small below -50 degrees. The transformation is catalysed by the presence of grey tin nuclei, but is strongly inhibited by the presence of 0.1% of lead, bismuth or antimony.http://palimpsest.stanford.edu/byform/mailing-lists/cdl/1998/1204.htmlThe transformation is apparently called "tin plague" or "tin pest", by the way, and there appraently is still another tin allotrope ("rhombic tin") at high temperature. I wonder what kind of a medal the guy who persuaded the Czar to have tin used got. Some google sources indicate that this "buttons" story happened in World War II -- which I rather doubt. PS to dr. bill: why "Dear Ken:"??
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05/22/2002 4:05 PM
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Dear Dr. Bill,
We are looking for a verb, not a noun, to describe the act of transformation rather than the fact that two or more different states of tin exist, right? That's why allotrope, and polymorphism, are not it...and I still can't think of the right word.
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05/22/2002 4:17 PM
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Bean:
Blind stab: Could the verb be sublimate?
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05/22/2002 4:20 PM
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PS to dr. bill: why "Dear Ken:"??
Do you honestly think you're still fooling anybody? You were banned for hurting the board itself and many of the participants. You were banned. Not any handle you might choose, including this one, which is a direct insult to me.
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05/22/2002 4:23 PM
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Sublimation is just a solid becoming a gas, without passing through the liquid state in between. It can happen under specific conditions of temperature and pressure, which of course are different for different materials. Back to the tin question...I did some looking and I think that they seem to call it an allotropic transformation. So I suppose the verb is "allotropically transform"? YUCK! I'm not pleased with that term, I feel like there was a more elegant, maybe slightly more general, one-word term for it, which clearly I will never remember... 
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05/22/2002 4:36 PM
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The other distinct possibility is that the word I saw in 1941 is obsolete. My recollection of it is that it was only abut six letter long.
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05/22/2002 4:54 PM
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ASp, you might want to contact Jo about a conversation she and I had on the subject. You may tell her that she has my full permission to share.
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