#67022
04/23/2002 8:06 PM
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Today is the anniversary of Shakespeare's birth and death.
Today is also St George's day.
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#67023
04/23/2002 8:29 PM
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Dear dxb: Do you mean Shakespeare died on his birthday?
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#67024
04/24/2002 12:25 AM
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dr. bill asks, Do you mean Shakespeare died on his birthday?Yes -- to the extent the dates are known. http://shakespeare.about.com/library/faqs/blfaqsbirth.htmIt is spooky to me to realize that he died on this day at precisely my age this day. bartleby's quotation-of-the-day, today, is this spring-thought from his pen: Now ‘tis the spring, and weeds are shallow-rooted;
Suffer them now, and they’ll outgrow the garden,
And choke the herbs for want of husbandry.-- Queen Margaret, in Henry VI, Part 2, act 3, sc. 1, l. 31-3.
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#67025
04/24/2002 12:51 AM
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Samuel Clemmens (Mark Twain) was born in the year of Halley's comet, and died in the year of the next Halley's comet. What other famous anniversary coincidences might there be?
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#67026
04/24/2002 2:01 AM
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John Adams and Thomas Jefferson died on the same day--a significant anniversary--July 4, 1826.
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#67027
04/24/2002 3:09 AM
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Adams' last words were, "Thomas Jefferson still lives" -- he could not know that Jefferson had died a few hours earlier.
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#67028
04/24/2002 4:06 PM
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Dr Bill inquires: Do you mean Shakespeare died on his birthday?
Indeed... which makes his prolific output all the more wondersome since he lived less than 24 hours.
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#67029
04/24/2002 4:39 PM
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died on his birthday
It should be noted that dxb's original post said nothing of the sort. What it said was that April 23rd was the anniversary of Shakespeare's birth and death.
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#67030
04/24/2002 5:22 PM
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On which logic we must of course delete the entire birthday thread.  
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#67031
04/25/2002 6:40 PM
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#67032
04/25/2002 6:48 PM
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I think it appropriate that my virgin post here should be as provocative and disruptive as possible.
Well now, why would you think that, I wonder? I am posting to advise you that we have had more than enough of that recently. Though I applaud your topic as being appropriate, I question your stated motive. This is not an invitation to reply.
Edit--Note: I made this post, speaking as the Administrator.
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#67033
04/25/2002 6:51 PM
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For those who embrace the copious evidence which supports Oxford as the writer, it may be interesting to note that his birthday is actually April 11th.
Which, quite significantly*is April Double Fools' Day, April Triple Fools' Day coming on July 10th. I've never had the stick-to-it-iveness to figure out when April Quadruple Fools' Day is.
*Or not, depending
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#67034
04/25/2002 10:45 PM
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Well, an interesting way to start SilkMuse, but WELCOME  none-the-less...
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#67035
04/25/2002 11:06 PM
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Silk! I see you made it here! Welcome aBoard! Hope you enjoy posting here as much as I do.
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#67036
04/26/2002 12:31 AM
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SilkMuse, if you really are a new person, then I bid you welcome. (Me, and the Administrator, too...)
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#67037
04/26/2002 1:11 AM
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Now Jackie, that's hardly the warm welcome to a newcomer that's become your trademark. The warmest of welcomes to you, silkmuse. Here's hoping you slide smoothly into our sweet company.
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#67038
04/26/2002 1:12 AM
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Imagination
Lovers and madmen have such seething brains,
Such shaping fantasies, that apprehend
More than cool reason ever comprehends.
The lunatic, the lover, and the poet
Are of imagination all compact:--
One sees more devils than vast hell can hold,--
That is the madman: the lover, all as frantic,
Sees Helen's beauty in a brow of Egypt:
The poet's eye, in a fine frenzy rolling,
Doth glance from heaven to earth, from earth to heaven;
And, as imagination bodies forth
The forms of things unknown, the poet's pen
Turns them to shapes, and gives to airy nothing
A local habitation and a name.
Such tricks hath strong imagination,
That, if it would but apprehend some joy,
It comprehends some bringer of joy;
Or in the night, imaging some fear,
How easy is a bush supposed a bear!
from A Midsummer's Night's Dream, Wm Shakespeare? Francis Bacon? Edward DeVere? Christopher Marlowe?
The Only WO'N!
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#67039
04/26/2002 7:45 AM
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>or the obviously well educated, well travelled and well-read man who is responsible for the plays which bear the name of Shakespeare
There is also the view that a collection of writers got together in the pub to write and whenever they thought that they'd turned out something decent they called it Shakespeare - that might well account for his inability to spell his own name consistently.
I also love Tom Stoppard's idea in the script of "Shakespeare in Love" that all his best plots came from Marlowe.
Will we ever know the truth? Whatever the answer, April 23rd is as good a day as any to celebrate the Bard - the Scots have Burns Night, so I think that we should have a big party every year, any excuse really.
By the way Maverick, do the Welsh have a special Dylan Thomas day?
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#67040
04/26/2002 8:38 AM
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a special Dylan Thomas day?yes - it's any day with a 'd' in the name 
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#67041
04/26/2002 8:47 AM
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#67042
04/26/2002 12:37 PM
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#67043
04/26/2002 12:42 PM
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the suspicion with which a "newbie" might be greeted here aptually® we have a long history of exceptionally welcoming and receptive attitudes on this board - you enter on the coat-tails of discord which has seemed at times to deliberately ferment such attitudes. So in the spirit of enquiring minds, I bid you welcome, draw up a seat and have fun! yeah, right, that's what we need, another lawyer...
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#67044
04/26/2002 1:24 PM
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I also love Tom Stoppard's idea in the script of "Shakespeare in Love" that all his best plots came from Marlowe.I've seen it three times now and laughed just as hard the third time. "Romeo and Ethel, the Pirate's Daughter."
The idiot also known as Capfka ...
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#67045
04/26/2002 3:59 PM
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If I take your point correctly, WO'N:
from A Midsummer's Night's Dream, Wm Shakespeare? Francis Bacon? Edward DeVere? Christopher Marlowe?,
I can only agree with you by saying - what's in a name? A rose by any other..........
dxb
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#67046
04/26/2002 4:25 PM
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A rose by any other name would still have thorns.
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04/26/2002 4:56 PM
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???? faldage? Non capisco.
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#67048
04/27/2002 8:57 AM
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May I add my, somewhat belated welcome to you, SilkMuse. May you spin us many an interesting yarn. And how dare you suggest that our beloved Bill Shakespeare was anything other than our beloved Wm Shaksper.
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#67050
04/27/2002 1:31 PM
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A rose by any other name would still have thorns.We can complain because rosebushes have thorns or rejoice because thornbushes have roses. The Only WO'N!
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#67051
04/27/2002 1:32 PM
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"deliberately ferment such attitudes."
Dear mav: to tease you gently,whouldn't this be in WW's thread about words that get confused?
ferment vs foment
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#67052
04/27/2002 1:32 PM
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A rose by any other name would still have thorns.
Oh. I thought that ...A nose by any other name would smell a sweet.
I saw Bill Moyers' new PBS show last night wherein Herman Gollob, author of Me and Shakespeare, stated that the common theme of the tragedies was the conflict between ego and altruism. Using that idea, could a tragedy even be written today? IMHO, altruism has been murdered.
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04/27/2002 3:42 PM
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#67054
04/27/2002 3:54 PM
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Dear Geoff: though repeatedly violated, altruism is more widely practised than at any time in previous human history. It just hurts more because we notice selfishness more.
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04/27/2002 5:31 PM
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#67056
04/27/2002 7:42 PM
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could a play be written today about dreams, since MacBeth murdered sleep?
Ohmygosh, I thought it was SHEEP, in keeping with Lady Mc's killing their dog ("Out, damn Spot!")
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#67057
04/27/2002 7:59 PM
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Gollub's statement that "altruism vs. ego is a common theme of the tragedies of Shakespeare": this
seems an unsupported notion, given the tragedies themselves. Key, in point, are two of the most well-known:
Hamlet & Romeo&Juliet. IMHO, the only completely altruistic characters in these particular plays are,
respectively, Horatio and Benvolio - neither of whom is, unfortunately, actively involved in the conflict.
Don't these two stand as balance points, or sources of reason, somewhat like a Greek chorus, or Lear's fool? And the very name Benvolio seems to suggest altruistic behavior.
I'm not saying that I agree with Gollub, and your citations well refute what ws said in the short time allotted to him on TV - I just tossed it out as food for thought. As for altruism being dead, I did get hyperbolic, but the world seems so steeped in egoistic corporate power and the de-selfing of the common person (as seen in the term "consumer" usurping the place and implicit rights of "customer") that I go overboard with exaggeration at times.
As for your mentioning Arthur Miller's "All My Sons," I'm more worried about another "Crucible," wherein the righteous kill the right. Dr Bill, you lived through the time Miller wrote about in allegory. Do you not see parallels?
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04/27/2002 9:59 PM
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Dear mav: to tease you gently,whouldn't this be in WW's thread about words that get confused?
ferment vs fomentWell, Bill, you make an interesting point. But hang on a mo – just consider this definition of ‘foment’: vt, to apply a warm lotion to; to foster or instigate (usually evil) – n fomentation the application of a warm lotion. […] to reduce inflammation and pain {from Latin fovere, to warm}Instigating evil – yes, quite accurate; but reducing inflammation? I don’t think so! ;) Now contrast it with this definition for ‘ferment’: n a substance that excites fermentation; fermentation; agitation; tumult; vt to cause fermentation in; to work up, excite […] fermentation the act or process of fermenting; a slow decomposition process […] accompanied by evolution of heat and gas… {from Latin fervere to boil} (both definitions from Chambers Concise 1997) Uh-huhhhhh – exciting tumult which results in slow decomposition accompanied by heat and gas – that does it for me So how come ‘foment’ came to have the meaning of “instigating evil” attached to it, when otherwise it usually refers to a therapeutic poultice?
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#67059
04/27/2002 10:03 PM
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Dear mav: I can see we need not fear you fomenting a revolution.
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#67060
04/27/2002 10:52 PM
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altruism is more widely practiced now than at any time in previous human history. - wwh Hear, hear, Uncle Bill, so true, so true. Now if we can only learn to properly integrate altruism with the purpose of our existence we will become a happy bunch. - -
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04/28/2002 1:42 PM
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