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#66534 04/23/02 05:07 PM
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Jackie,

Something that needs to be changed would be a noun. Isn't provisional strictly an adjective? And provision sure isn't a term covering a broad category of terms that required changing. I'm assuming here that "mutande" is a noun, but I could be dead wrong.

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Isn't provisional strictly an adjective?
Yeah--I was just hopin' to foster some discussion. Tried with all my might to think of a noun, and couldn't. But didn't want to make a post just saying I couldn't think of anything!


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what about mutate?

Its from the latin mutatus.. and it means to undergo change.. well actually it means to undergo mutation, and mutation means to undergo change.. for all of you out there with your fined toothed combs!)


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I don't think we've got an English equivalent of the noun mutande.

In fact [striking an attitude emoticon], I'll defy anyone to find an English noun that means "something that has to be changed."

How's zat for a dare!?

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"something that has to be changed."

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but only if it really wants to


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I don't think we've got an English equivalent of the noun mutande.

Perhaps you're not famililar with the word often used to express this same concept: underwear.

While it in all likelihood comes from the root mutare, I don't believe the modern Italian word has as broad a meaning as is being ascribed to it here.

Bean, emanuela - it just means underwear, right? I think emanuela was being a bit figurative when she applied that broader meaning, but I could be wrong.

That said - let's find a word in some language that does mean all that changeability stuff.


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We could form The Order of Mutantis with our solemn charge to be to find the word that means all the stuff that needs changing in the world. Since there's so much stuff in the world that needs to be changed, there sure as heck ought to be a word that sums it up.

In the spirit of this charge,
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Bean, emanuela - it just means underwear, right? I think emanuela was being a bit figurative when she
applied that broader meaning, but I could be wrong.


Well, it wanted to be a joke, but not only.. I mean that the meaning seems really come from the need of changing underwear, but now it is hidden and forgotten - and no, we don't say mutande for everything that has to be changed, even if it would work , as adjective: le cose mutande = things that have to be changed.




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We could form The Order of Mutantis with our solemn charge to be...

Forgive me, but if I'm part of a group whose name keeps translating in my head as something like "The Order of Mutant Underwear," I'm going to be anything but solemn as I charge...


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find an English noun that means "something that has to be changed."

How far shall we extend the definition of change?

If we change a diaper we end up with a whole new diaper albeit equivalent to the old, just cleaner. If we change a baby we best come out of the process with the same baby as we went in with or momma ain' gonna be happy. If we change a line of code we better have something that works differently than the old.


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