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Bean, I am responding with a separate thread. I fear you are regrettably wrong in your facts, for which yu provide no cite.
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#64608
04/10/2002 7:56 PM
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Interesting indeed. This thread was started by someone who had posted once before this, and a year and a half before at that. She made a post that was widely (whether rightly or wrongly) interpreted as spam. She received some gentle suggestions that it was spam, which is not welcome here, but she was also defended by others who noted that she was at least up front about the nature of what she was posting. One person, five days later, gets a little more adamant about her dislike of what had preceded.
The statement about these posts being toned down versions of the original merely taints the evidence with no way to verify for anyone who did not copy and save the originals.
I invite anyone to look at that entire thread and decide if it shows a general tendency on the part of anyone towards nastiness.
I will not take this to the PM or email level because then your side will not be seen by anyone else except, perhaps AnnaStrophic and not even by her if requested. I do not share private correspondences.
BTW, it was not a demand; it was a request. Yes, please do, thank you for offering is not a demand.
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Everybody's wrong, but Keiva...O Great Sanctimonious Saint Thou art.
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04/10/2002 7:58 PM
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04/10/2002 8:09 PM
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04/10/2002 9:48 PM
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and Keiva, though I love him, isn't
Excuse me for asking..but, huh? You've only been here for 2 days, ewein, how can you get to know somebody that quickly?
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04/10/2002 10:06 PM
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04/10/2002 10:50 PM
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... why this board does not have a hammer, like other chat boards (no answer); some of the language was filthy, to say the least. This board doesn't have a hammer, because there is no need for one as long as people (and most do) exercise self-control. By self-control I mean just that. Understanding and following the context of a "discussion board" - vs - "chat room" would be all that is required, but that, IMHO, is where the real problem lies (or is that "lays" )  . Also IMHO there is no such thing as "filthy" language. Words are words. There may be inappropriate times to use them, but that is a matter for discusion here (whaddya know). There are sensitivities that are respected when respect is given to all perspectives from the "get go". This is not a "chat board", and I repeat, this is where any and all "problems" have risen from: the inability, lack of inclination or just not knowing to the difference between them. What you may have noticed recently (ewein - I don't know how far back you have read) is that there are a few posters who continually refer to the deeds and tones, yet not to the words being used or the meaning of the words or anything at all about the words. I've said it before "The only stucture people need is self-control", but it's not the only "thing" they need. An understanding of the context they are in is another big one... this requiures time and patience, something "chatting" doesn't allow.
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04/11/2002 12:24 AM
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I'm sorry, Keiva. Did you say 145 times including misspellings, abbreviations; references before the name was coined, etc.?
I must have misunderstood. Surely you meant not including. I hope you didn't spend all the time necessary to find and count all the misspellings, abbreviations; references before the name was coined, etc. Did you make separate counts for the period before and the period after this unpleasantness began?
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04/11/2002 12:43 AM
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04/11/2002 12:59 AM
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a ways back, for you flat liners like me, Faldage responded to post of kieva's.. supposedly about general nastiness, and changes made to posts.. (kieva's post is even further back!)Look for Faldage's post by the subject title --unchanged.
(RE:The statement about these posts being toned down versions of the original merely taints the evidence with no way to verify for anyone who did not copy and save the originals
I invite anyone to look at that entire thread and decide if it shows a general tendency on the part of anyone towards nastiness.
kieva supplied the links, and he mention my name in the post with the links and mentions editing.
what i edited out was the word F***ed. i suggested the person who posted a commercial ad was like a rapist, who then came back, and asked us," well how do you want to be ******?"-- as if offers us a choise of how she should abuse us, was not abuse.
the line was crude. i didn't change the tenor of my post. i do and did feel golibear used AWAD Talk for an ad--which i thought to be rude, and spam. she did it at the very time, Anu, in his AWAD mailings (not the WAD, but the newsletter) was asking for sponsers. The newsletter does have some very low key ads, paid for by sponsers. (most recently one for a Nanny service as i recall)
so i didn't edit out anything signicant, just something crude. if you read the whole thread, and think i was nasty, so be it. but, as faldage points out, i didn't get harsh until golibear came back and suggested we tell her how to use AWAD talk to place her free ads--
But please, do read the whole thread.. my post are pretty far down the line.. it took quite a bit to provoke me. and to suggest, i made a major edit, is wrong.
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04/11/2002 1:02 AM
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Typo corrected, faldage; you are in that quite correct. Thank you! 
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04/11/2002 1:09 AM
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Helen, no one suggested that you made a major edit of content: you quite properly adhered to your position. And you quite properly toned down language that you yourself agreed, upon reflection, was excessive. Good on you on both counts. Post-edit after LIU, to be specific on the compliment: Helen, you were mature enough to correct yourself when you concluded that you'd gone over the line (after all, nobody's perfect). And belM, I see that you did the same the next day, in the same thread, so the same compliment goes to you. Good on both you ladies. Faldage, I'd commend this as an example of how rudeness does indeed occur but can be well handled. http://wordsmith.org/board/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=words&Number=43881 (Helen on 10/18 at 18:49; belM the next day)
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#64622
04/11/2002 1:21 AM
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Hi Guys, What's going on?
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04/11/2002 1:22 AM
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I hope I'm not interrupting anything, I just wanted to ask Whitman a question...
Whit-O, who and what is "Your Happy Epeolatrist!"
Milo.
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04/11/2002 2:04 AM
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O Great Sanctimonious
W'ON, per bartleby "sanctimony" means "hypocrital piety"; that is, acting contrary to one's professed principles.
I trust you can supply a cite to a pair of my posts -- one professing a principle, and one which you believe I am acting in conflict with that principle? (Either here or by PM will be fine.)
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04/11/2002 2:31 AM
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>Could you please supply a pair of cites to my posts -- one professing a principle, and one which you believe to be in conflict with that principle?
"If you are unwillng to have your hurtful words seen -- if you would be ashamed to have others know you wrote them -- then don't write them."
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bel, we are each of us imperfect, and there are times when each of us will act unkindly -- your strong post some time ago to shoshannah, for example. Could it be that you have perhaps overreacted here?
Such vehemence, in the past, drove shoshannah away from this board.
Shoshannah's last post:
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Cap - hi and thanks for the welcome! I'm not really able to spend much time on this boad or anywhere on the net these days as my job with the Jerusalem Foundation keeps me very very busy! But this is an important time here and everywhere, so I took a peek at what folks were saying... which prompted my posting on this thread.
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and then there was the sad episode of your casting about to identify the "spammer", which culminated in your suggestion that it was Elizabeth, based on your shrewd discovery of her initials [E.A] appearing in one of the offending posts.
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you've been quick to cry foul and quick to accuse ever since you arrived and discovered you couldn't be in control.
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04/11/2002 2:38 AM
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Whit-O, who and what is "Your Happy Epeolatrist!"Sure, Milo...be glad to. I was hopin' someone would ask. Dr. Bill discovered an obscure word that every linguaphile should know: epeolatry: the worship of words There are only two citations listed on the entire web for it at OneLook... Forthright's, and our very own tswum's Worthless Word for the Day! So, a worshipper of words is an epeolatrist. And "Happy Epeolatrist" just popped out, I liked the way the words flowed together and rolled off the tongue...so there you are. And I decided to use it as my first-ever signature to help remind me of the true energy of AWAD...levity, words, and intellect (not necessarily in that order). Your Happy Epeolatrist!
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04/11/2002 3:09 PM
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tsuwm, I do thank and commend you for basing your discussion on facts, not heated adjectives.
While I think your example (and Connie's elsewhere) is inapt, I'll defer responding until others have had opportunity to adduce any other examples they may have in mind. Please let me know whetther you would prefer that I respond to you here, or by PM.
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04/11/2002 4:01 PM
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While I think your example (and Connie's elsewhere) is inapt, I'll defer responding...
...and that wasn't a response?
She's breaking up, Captain! I need more to the sheilds...
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04/11/2002 5:49 PM
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04/11/2002 5:54 PM
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04/11/2002 6:09 PM
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04/11/2002 6:35 PM
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04/11/2002 6:39 PM
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IMHO = In my humble opinion ...
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04/11/2002 6:40 PM
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something..
Just can't put my finger on what
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Too bad Ann ruined that. Ewein
Ann didn't ruin it. Kieva ruined his relationship with Ann, and as a result, Ann doesn't want him as a guest in her house.
Ann clearly states her reasons, and her thinking.. this should have been between Ann and Ken. ken has taken it public, and started the post with You crude, bullying children should be ashamed of yourselves.-- those are ken's words, that ken posted.. blaming god only know who.
the post ken made included a copy of a mail (not email) he went to the effort to type it all out again. (and we have to trust himthat he hasn't left anything out.)
so Ken went to a big effort to blame everybody, for something that one person did, and she did it because she seems to feel (and this if from reading her letter,) that ken might not get along with everyone, and would bring discord to her house. He certainly has brought discord to this place. he made an effort to bring discord. i wouldn't expect anything else from him in person.
i don't want to go to a party that is advesarial. it seems to me, that ken is uncomfortalbe unless things are advesarial-- I can only guess that is why he keeps behaving the way he does.
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