#62709
04/03/2002 4:46 AM
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He was the baddie. If he was the nice guy then we wouldn't have a story. Even I understood that one.
He might have been a baddie, but I can't remember ever calling someone a F*** Wad. Haven't even heard the term since my teens (when I heard it way too often). I don't have a problem with the movie, but that was a little too unsubtle for me.
After five viewings I can't say that I noticed (although maybe I just wasn't looking).
I didn't notice it either, and couldn't see it when I re-watched it last night. There were some quite heated newsgroup discussions about it though.
Are you deliberately looking for faults where there aren't any to be found?
I simply provided an answer to a question.
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#62710
04/03/2002 11:34 AM
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The parable doesn't become evident until the final volume, but there it is striking.
I agree with hev, below. It seemed pretty obvious to me from the beginning. Also, he made a point of jibing agnostics and parents who allow their children to call them by their first names in the very beginning.
OTOH, I was old enough by the time I read them that I might have gotten a heads up on the content. I really don't remember.
I agree on the general point of writers (or anyone else) trying to make an end run around a parent's wishes, but you know I read A Wrinkle in Time to my kids and caught religious references that I did not catch when the book was read to me by a fourth grade substitute teacher. It's not real obvious that the religious overtones are as accessible to children as they are to adults.
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04/03/2002 11:47 AM
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He might have been a baddie, but I can't remember ever calling someone a F*** Wad. Haven't even heard the term since my teens (when I heard it way too often).
hehehehe ... ya know .... even after you brought this up the first time, I didn't understand what you were talking about, but I was a little embarrassed to ask. Thanks for making it explicit.
I don't have a problem with the movie, but that was a little too unsubtle for me.
But a little too subtle for the denser of us.
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04/03/2002 12:22 PM
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He might have been a baddie, but I can't remember ever calling someone a F*** Wad. Haven't even heard the
term since my teens (when I heard it way too often). I don't have a problem with the movie, but that was a
little too unsubtle for me.
Ah, now I get it. I wasn't aware of the term until now but I guessed there was a Fark in there somewhere. Now you mention it it is far from subtle.
I didn't notice it either, and couldn't see it when I re-watched it last night. There were some quite heated
newsgroup discussions about it though.
Obviously they have nothing better to discuss other than animated characters' erections. Give me words anyday.....
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#62713
04/03/2002 3:55 PM
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Tolkien talked in a radio interview yonks ago about the moral underpinnings of LOTR, and he stated quite clearly, I thought, that it was good versus evil and that although he personally was Christian, he wasn't trying to write religious allegory. Unlike C.S. Lewis, of course, who was. Hell, I was 10 or 11 when I first read TLTWATW and even I worked out for myself what was going on. You'd have to be pretty thick not to spot the parallels if you'd been the good little Sunday school attender that I was at that time. But, like FF, I liked the books and didn't hold that against them. Trying to read too much into an author's motivations is a bit like the Noddy books thing. Homosexual propaganda? Gimme a break! Enid Blyton wrote the damned things, not Rita Sackville-West! 
The idiot also known as Capfka ...
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04/03/2002 4:07 PM
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and he stated quite clearly, I thought, that it was good versus evil and that although he personally was Christian, he wasn't trying to write religious allegory.
You and Jazz have both said this, now. Perhaps I misused the language. I didn't mean to imply (or state, if I did state) that LOTR was religious allegory.
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#62715
04/03/2002 9:00 PM
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>Rita Sackville-West Oh, I've never heard of her. Is she a relative of Vita or is she related to the Sackville Bagginses? 
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#62716
04/11/2002 12:40 PM
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Noddy is homosexual propaganda???? I must go back and re-read Enid Blyton some time.
Acksherly, going back to the earlier part of the thread about male and female writers, I have to admit once I started reading by myself I read voraciously without caring whether the authors were men or women. My childhood favourites were Enid Blyton (perhaps George was meant to be a pubescent lesbian?), E. Nesbitt, C. S. Lewis, and Tolkein. There were hundreds of others I read, but although I was vaguely aware that there were such things as books for girls, I don't remember thinking much about who the books were actually by.
If I look at my shelves now, again I don't think either sex predominates. No doubt some writers write particularly for one sex or the other but then whether they are men or women I find them equally uninteresting.
Being very good and not saying a word about the aspersions cast on the young lady who wrote an account of certain late events which came under my own observation and, indeed, in which I played a small part myself.
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