#61097
03/23/2002 8:19 AM
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I was googling the other day for the Indonesian word provisi, only to get hundreds, if not thousands, of pages for the English word provision. Admittedly, provision does contain provisi, but it's still totally useless for my purposes. How do I get round this?
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03/23/2002 10:03 AM
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#61099
03/23/2002 2:25 PM
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While all you computer wunderkin are at it
has anyone ever figured out what makes the
posts widen the screen. If so, how does one
avoid doing that? And perhaps it could go
in the helpful hints..since posts continue
to go wide I presume there is no note now.
Thank you.
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#61100
03/23/2002 4:13 PM
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Is there a way to have it in the center for both the lap top and PC?There really shouldn't be any difference between the two, except that most lap top screens are smaller than desktop monitors. It's generally better to confine your text to a width of about 400-500 rather than stretching across the whole screen. There are two reasons for this. One, the smaller width will look the same on all browsers and two, it's easier to read. The page of a book is much thinner than a computer screen. To center something in HTML you generally just have to put align="center" into a tag, such as <P align="center"> or <TD align="center">. In tables you can also set the vertical alignment with valign. For that center is the default, but you can change it to valign="top". Wow, the reason posts go wide is that a link is a continuous string or characters without any spaces. PCs won't break that string and make the rest go on the next line, so the page just stretches to fit the text. Macs will split the line for you.
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03/23/2002 4:21 PM
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>Macs will split the line for you. and Max will shorten it for you, with his "make a shorter link" link -- you do cover that in your FAQ, right Max? http://home.mn.rr.com/wwftd/
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03/23/2002 4:22 PM
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While all you computer wunderkin are at it has anyone ever figured out what makes the posts widen the screen. If so, how does one avoid doing that? And perhaps it could go in the helpful hints..since posts continue to go wide I presume there is no note now.
Dear Wow,
I have noticed the same problem on various threads and I am at a loss to explain how it happens. I can only presume that it is a bug related to the application on which AWAD runs. The problem seems to generate arbitrarily and is a result of the primary post on that thread. If it is too wide for the screen and requires scrolling to view it correctly then subsequent posts will likewise be too wide. There doesn't seem to be any way to remedy this on the AWAD site.
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#61103
03/23/2002 4:42 PM
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John, I guess I had thought this was covered in the FAQs, either Jo's or Max', but I'm not finding it. it certainly should be, as it is a multiple yart and has confused nearly everyone. it is not a random bug and the cause is well known. as Jazzo indicates just above, the cause is ALWAYS (well, unless you purposely preformat) a wide link (or url, as dr. bill would have it). the remedy is to shorten internal links (cut 'em after the first post number) or use Max' "make a shorter link" link (where is it Max?!) for external links.
since the width of any thread is determined by the width of the widest post in it, it's not always obvious where the problem lies....
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#61104
03/23/2002 4:51 PM
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I read in some recent posts that there are Web designers on board. I have done some amateur designing and have a question. I am sorry if this inappropriate for this forum, but since this thread was current I thought I would take a chance..
Dear Drow,
If you feel uneasy about posting such a notice then feel free to PM (private message) anyone with the query.
Question: When you design a page (with 100% table width) for a PC console, on a lap top it comes out all bunched up in the left hand top corner corner. This happens just for the home page. The only way I have found to get over this is to design it off center for the PC screen - that brings it more to the center for the Lap top screen. Is there a way to have it in the center for both the lap top and PC?
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Thanks in advance to Helen of troy or Rubrick or any one else who might answer this question.
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This is pretty confusing. Why does it only happent for the home page? All web pages should behave the same way if they are coded the same way. A few quick tips.
1. Always use tables with plenty of rows and cells to contain your info - especially if you want to align stuff.
2. Only ever use one nested table for each page. More will result in confusion and definite loading time overhead and probable application crash.
3. Check you design on both IE and Netscape. Microsloth like to be different so the two browsers will often display stuff quite differently. It is often irritating but you can easily find an acceptable common ground between the two.
4. Decide on a basic screen size design for your web pages and stick with it. 640 x 480, 800 x 600. Whatever. If you deceide that you can spare the resources to build more than one size (and therefore offer your readers a selection of sizes) then go for it. I never provide that luxury. Better to tell your readers to resize their screens to optimise viewing than to go to all that unneccesary trouble.
Back to your problem. Don't set the table size to 100% - set it to 99%. It works better - believe me!
If you want to centre your work on the page then don't select center and expect the text to be centred on the page. Build a table with at least two rows and three cells wide (use five or seven if that makes the tsk easier). Place all of your stuff in the middle (2nd/3rd/4th) cell. The outer cells need to be the same width but this width can be any figure. The purpose is just to allow centring of text and images. For that cell you can either align it left/right or center. The text will appear in the centre of the page (actually the centre of that cell but it will give the appearance of being centre of the page).
Any more info required then PM me and I'll blabber on ad nauseum.
The only word twist I could give to this post is three different words for the thing you are looking at - console, monitor, screen - any others?
I just checked - MW doesn't give the definition of console as a monitor or screen??? It is the thing that the radio or television sits on? Okay!
In the days when computers took up a medium sized room and required the powerage of a small town to add six numbers together, someone had the bright idea to link a few terminals onto the mainframe to allow many users to access this abundance of informatic power. These terminals consisted of a monitor and a keyboard (the mouse didn't exist just yet) and were known collectively as a console. The montor has been explained - it's the big TV-like thingy that takes up all of your desk space, ruins your eyesight and is bedecked with post-its and various holiday snaps, pet pictures and out-of-focus baby photos of your now seven-year-old.
The screen is just the glass bit at the front which projects the image from your computer and, despite its incredible definition and superior projection qualities is used for little more than emailing, word processing, spreadsheets and the occasioanl web-surfing. The most striking images that you will ever see on a screen these days are the background images (commonly called wallpaper for some reason - even though they don't resemble any wallpaper that I can think of) of such luminaries as George Clooney and Brad Pitt (popular on our secretaries' machines), various sportstars (for the harder types amongst us) and the occasional unidentified skimpily dressed blonde in a position that you never see a wife or girlfriend - well, not in public anyway.
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03/23/2002 4:56 PM
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John, I guess I had thought this was covered in the FAQs, either Jo's or Max', but I'm not finding it. it certainly should be, as it is a multiple yart and has confused nearly everyone. it is not a random bug and the cause is well known. as Jazzo indicates just above, the cause is ALWAYS (well, unless you purposely preformat) a wide link (or url, as dr. bill would have it). the remedy is to shorten internal links (cut 'em after the first post number) or use Max' "make a shorter link" link (where is it Max?!) for external links.
since the width of any thread is determined by the width of the widest post in it, it's not always obvious where the problem lies....
Tsuwm. Thanks for that. I misread JazzO's post but now I see what he was saying and it makes sense why certain threads are wider than others. Yep, I agree. The posts will be wider if the URL is wide becaus the wraparound won't work for a continuous text line like a long URL. Apologies to both you and JazzO for the misunderstanding.
I can't remember the url for the short link site but adding it to the FAQs would be great. Hey, how about adding Carpal Tunnel whilst we're at it?? Is it 3200 or what?
Cheers,
Rubrick
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#61106
03/23/2002 5:04 PM
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I never did get an answer to my time question above:
OK....Why does the bottom of the page say: "All times are EST"? I sent an e-mail to Anu after I first realized this error, and have never had an answer to my question. For those who don't know, times are posted in CST (Central Standard Time), not EST (Eastern Standard Time).
This one really bugs me and I wondered if it just got overlooked, or if no one really knows.
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#61107
03/23/2002 5:07 PM
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This one really bugs me and I wondered if it just got overlooked, or if no one really knows. or possibly it doesn't bother anyone else.. http://home.mn.rr.com/wwftd/
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03/23/2002 5:24 PM
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Thanks tsuwm! I knew someone would have a pleasant answer for me! 
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#61109
03/23/2002 5:47 PM
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Can someone with experience explain to a mere stranger why sometimes when I open a Post all that appears is a string of numbers, percent signs and a few letters? No matter how many times I try I can't open the Post. Am I committing a sin of omission or commission to be thus punished?
Help (frustrated).
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#61110
03/23/2002 5:57 PM
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I can't remember the url for the short link siteIt's http://www.makeashorterlink.com
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#61111
03/23/2002 5:58 PM
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If you are working on a PC which is connected to a network, the proxy server which is connecting you to the Internet may not be set to handle large quantities of text data (i.e. html) correctly. It renders what it can and texts the rest. I'm not a network geek, so I can't give you the technical details.
The idiot also known as Capfka ...
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#61112
03/23/2002 7:10 PM
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I just went to the shorter link site, and managed to shorten the link I had in the Greek/Latin thread in Q & A, but the screen is still wide. 
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#61113
03/23/2002 7:13 PM
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>but the screen is still wide. and that would seem to be due to ASp's preformatted text. http://home.mn.rr.com/wwftd/
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#61114
03/23/2002 7:35 PM
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03/23/2002 7:38 PM
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03/23/2002 7:53 PM
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>Both of these data have been on my page for several months, fwiw. all of this being a reminder, to young and old alike, READ THE FREAKING MANUAL! (thanks Max :) http://home.mn.rr.com/wwftd/
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#61117
03/24/2002 1:04 AM
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03/25/2002 11:13 AM
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>Both of these data have been on my page for several months, fwiw.
all of this being a reminder, to young and old alike, READ THE FREAKING MANUAL! (thanks Max :)
Well, excuse me for bringing up the bleeding obvious, Ron, but I do read the freaking manual. I just don't get to Max's site often enough. I usually just have time to read the helpful hints published on the I&A pages every few weeks and take what's there as verbatim. Here's the HH printed just a few short days ago. No reference to 'Carpal Tunnel' anywhere.
How do you graduate from ?Stranger??
There are different titles given, based on the number of posts.
Here are the titles:
Stranger (0), Newbie (25),
Journeyman (50), Member (100)
Enthusiast (200), Addict (400),
Old Hand (700), Veteran (1200), Pooh Bah (1600)
At the time of writing, we don't know if there are any more.
Search on ?Graduation? for threads that discuss this subject
Signature Lines:
The system allows you to add a signature. In the past, some of us have used our favourite quotes but we've found that this becomes distracting after seeing the same line several times so we prefer not to use them.
However, I will start reading Max's website now that I know it is more consistent and up-to-date.
Regards,
Rubrick.
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#61119
03/25/2002 12:00 PM
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Rubrick--dinnae fash, Sweetie. 
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03/25/2002 3:03 PM
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Rubrick, sorry if you took offense above and beyond, as the comment was aimed also inward, my having missed seeing the 'shorter link' link therein. -ron o. http://home.mn.rr.com/wwftd/
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03/25/2002 3:16 PM
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No offense taken, tsuwm. Sorry that my post sounded a bit harsh (on hindsight). I was attempting a play of words on your post and pseudo-pseudonym but it didn't come out right.
A big problem with posting to AWAD is that, if you only have five minutes to post and three of those are required for reference or for checking-up correct etiquette, you are only left with two minutes to post a foreshortened post (as is the sad case now). So a lot of us (I don't speak for others but notice their posts) including me sound ridiculously stupid as we constantly ask the same questions over and over about where to find shorter links, how to type mark-up etc.
The FAQs provided every few weeks are excellent tips for newcomers and great reminders for people such as me but I tend to take them as gospel and don't rely on other websites, such as Max's (which I really don't have the time to visit - or to remember to visit) which the more experienced members would check for more up-to-date and advanced information.
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03/25/2002 3:44 PM
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Thanks tsuwm!
I knew someone would have a pleasant answer for me!Lighten up! 
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03/25/2002 8:41 PM
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03/25/2002 9:26 PM
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angel: Why does the bottom of the page say: "All times are EST"? For those who don't know, times are posted in CST (Central Standard Time)
tsuwm: or possibly it doesn't bother anyone else
Angel, the reason is simply that all posts are marked in tsuwm time; it's one of our tsuwmocentricities.
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03/25/2002 11:02 PM
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[Lightening up for W O'N -e]Angel, the reason is simply that all posts are marked in tsuwm time; it's one of our tsuwmocentricities.What dictionary will I find " tsuwmocentricities" in? 
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03/26/2002 1:00 AM
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What dictionarytsuwm, were you to publish a dictionary of swearing [a maladictionary?], might it be entitled The Contsuwmmate Contsuwmeliator?
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03/26/2002 9:07 AM
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Rubrick, do you think your ISP might be cacheing that page? I am genuinely puzzled that you could have visited it at any time in the last six weeks and not seen the Carpal Tunnel change. After all, even I've been one that long! I changed the page at least eight weeks ago, and so am wondering why the changes did not show up for you. I shall drop a line to my providers to see if they are leaving backup copies of old pages online, as others have also reported difficulty getting to updated versions of my pages. Sorry.Okay, this is getting a tad confusing so I will clarify what I can and cannot see. I've gone to http://maxqnz.com/Hints.html and I can see the up-to-date hints including the Carpal Tunnel 2500 line. Going to the I&A threads and the Helpful hints Take 2 post I can only see what has been posted (and reposted) on that post for the past few months. If you are referring to changes to your page, Max, then I shoudl reiterate that I haven't visited your page for some time until this morning. I was referring to the AWAD page and not your page so don't go bothering your ISP about something that's nothing to do with them!! It's not really worth pursuing this trivial matter anymore. Safe to say that I will look at Max's page more often and not just refer to the HH on AWAD. Cheers Max!!! BTW, no way it could be my ISP cacheing my pages. Mon ISP c'est moi!
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03/26/2002 7:11 PM
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03/26/2002 7:54 PM
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even my poor overworked was able ??? what are we discussing here ??? You need a working over, Max? Can/may/might I help?
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03/31/2002 4:48 PM
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Milum, about pre formated text.
Browsers, (unlike word processors) have no fixed margins.
if you make you browser window smaller, it re-formates the text to fit inside the space available.
there are two exceptions.. Links (and we have all seen a thread go wide because of a link)
by go(ing) wide, i mean, a new scroll bar is added at the bottom of the page, and you must scroll right and left to see all the text.
the pre command also stops the browser from reformaing text. Pre is an HTML code, and mark up uses it exactly the same.
if you type some thing in MS WORD (and this works in all word processors, but i am not going to give directions for all) and then got to the View menu, and scroll down to Show/Hide, you can see the formating commands.
A·line·of·text·will·look·like·this.¶
each · represents a space, and the ¶ represents a "a hard return" --pressing enter. other codes include arrows for tabs, and so on.
normally, a browser ignores most of the formating codes. especially extra spaces and tabs!
the pre command forces the browser to leave the formating codes in, and lets you the typist, to set up the spacing of the text!
you need to use it with care, since you can't be sure how much space (how big the window is) on others computers.
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03/31/2002 6:03 PM
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The actual form of the pre-format command is
leftbracket-pee-are-ee-rightbracket.
I couldn't make it print as text at first because the board interprets it as a formatting command, which doesn't print, and so I typed instead
leftbracket-space-pee-are-ee-space-rightbracket, which is [ pre ]
and which shows up fine but doesn't do anything if you type it in faithfully as it appears, being no longer in the right format because of the spaces. Thus the green instruction to omit the spaces.
The "end-pre-formatted-text" instruction is, analogously,
leftbracket-slash-pee-are-ee-rightbracket.
Now if only I could figure out how to underline...
PS. Most of the fonts we use are no longer "fixed-spacing", which means so-and-so many characters per inch (remember those typewriters with Elite (12 cpi) or Pica (10 cpi) type?) Nowadays we see more "proportional-spacing" -- an i is narrower than a W, and a space narrower still. This can distort your painstakingly-constructed pre-formatted texts, depending on what font the viewer is using.
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