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Or as somebody famous must have said, "One cannot logically argue someone out of a position that they were not logically argued into in the first place."
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Dear Maxq: " if someone sincerely believes that something
is bunk, and presents evidence (factually valid or otherwise) in support of that belief, that
person can claim to have debunked it, regardless of whether that sincerely held belief is
factually correct or not."
Dear Maxq: no matter how deeply "someone" believes something is "bunk" that does not make it "bunk"
And as plutarch said (I thinK) you can never "debunk" what is not "bunk".
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Dear Max: I like things simple. No matter what contorsions A goes through, no matter how convinced he may be that he has reasons to disbelieve the moon landings, the rest of us know he is full of excrementl He cannot debunk what we know is not bunk.
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since I am convinced that they do not actually believe their own lies.
Dear Max: Many of these idiots believe their erroneous statements enough to die for them.
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In other words, you are drawing the distinction between the gentleman whose word accurately describes his view of the world and his actions (regardless of whether that view is correct), and the gentleman who accurately describes the world and his actions.
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here's a slightly more tangible example from the field of anthropology: Johanson discovers "Lucy" and debunks the Leakey's view of the evolutionary tree; subsequently the Leakeys debunk Johanson's methods -- wherein lies the bunk? creationists and evolutionists are constantly striving to debunk each other's claims; the fact of the matter is that there is not enough evidence one way or the other to unbunk the dialectic. http://home.mn.rr.com/wwftd/
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