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03/01/2002 1:15 AM
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The interest in the French dictionary (ok, boronia, dictionnaire --belated welcome, by the way) led me to try and find other words that are the same or very similar in both languages. One I put in was fiche. One of the def.'s was fiche dactyloscopique. I googled dactyloscope on a guess, and was led to dactyloscopy: n. comparison of fingerprints for identification. (From The Dictionary of Difficult Words.) Then, I found:
dactyl
n. metrical foot comprising one long followed by two short syllables; Zoology, digit. dactylate, a. like a finger. dactylic, a.; n. verse of dactyls.Same dictionary: http://www.tiscali.co.uk/reference/dictionaries/difficultwords/data/d0004218.htmlMy question: how did dactyl come to have these two seemingly unrelated meanings?
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#59203
03/01/2002 1:38 AM
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The OED lists the origin as:
[ad. (perh. through F. dactyle) L. dactylus, a. Gr. d0jstko|, a finger, a date, a dactyl (from its 3 joints).]
(Sorry, I don't know how to get the Greek characters to copy properly)
The OED contains 36 words with dactyl*.
The one I found most interesting was: dactylology
[f. Gr. d0jstko| finger + -kocia discourse: see -logy.]
‘Finger-speech’; the art of ‘speaking’ or communicating ideas by signs made with the fingers, as in the deaf-and-dumb alphabet. (Formerly chirology.)
Since you also mentioned French:
dactylographie (nf) - typing, typewriting
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#59204
03/01/2002 1:46 AM
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Bonjour, Jackie-- dactyl \Dac"tyl\, n. [L. dactylus, Gr. da`ktylos a finger, a dactyl. Cf. Digit.] 1. (Pros.) A poetical foot of three sylables (--- [crescent] [crescent]), one long followed by two short, or one accented followed by two unaccented; as, L. t["e]gm[i^]n[e^], E. mer\b6ciful; -- so called from the similarity of its arrangement to that of the joints of a finger. [Written also dactyle.] 2. (Zo["o]l.) (a) A finger or toe; a digit. (b) The claw or terminal joint of a leg of an insect or crustacean. Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc. Remember dactyls from "Listen my children and..." or "higgledy-piggledy"? Who would've thought they had any relation to fingers? That must mean that trochee comes from a word meaning thumb. 
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#59205
03/01/2002 2:56 AM
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So where do the words iamb, spondee, troche and anapest come from?
And since we've been "digitizing", a further question: why to we call it a metrical "foot"?
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03/02/2002 2:04 AM
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Merci, les deux. Three joints, three syllables. Got it!
Yes, 'gator, I remember those poems--I've always loved anything in triple time.
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#59207
03/02/2002 9:02 AM
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anapaest = struck back or rebounding, because it's a reversed dactyl
iamb = an iamb, sorry; neither Greek nor English dictionaries show any other root it might be derived from
spondee = suitable for solemn libations
trochee = running
I can never remember which is which of these, and always when I reread them grasp at the fact that 'spondee' is a spondee, and see if I can pin them down that way. Illusory.
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03/02/2002 2:08 PM
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Dear Jackie: If you look at a finger, the bone nearest the knuckle is longer than the two distal ones.
Long,short, short.
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03/02/2002 9:48 PM
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Hey, Dr. Bill, how come I only have one knuckle on my thumb? It's only bendable from just under the nail.
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03/02/2002 11:11 PM
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Dear consuelo: If you mean you have only two bones in your thumb, that is something I have never seen. I have see babies with a tiny second thumb attached to base of thumb, but not capable of motion. Up in Maine I saw a guy with two index fingers on each hand but no thumb. His neighbors called him "Five finger Joe." Imagine him playing a piano. Didn't seem to bother him, although he could not touch tip of little finger with the extra index finger. I didn't ask him if he had trouble thumbing rides.
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03/03/2002 1:32 AM
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slithy asks: Remember dactyls from "Listen my children and..." or "higgledy-piggledy"?I sure do remember the lovely double dactyls, to wit: Higgledy piggledy Ludwig von Beethoven Bored by requests for some Music to hum, Finally answered with Oversimplicity, "Here's my Fifth Symphony: Da-da-da-dum." In fact, while I'm not real good at limericks hi Helen I did compose a d-d for the occasion of the first year of this board's existence, back in the good old days. Since I am too modest to go fiche-ing for compliments [ahem], perhaps someone else would like to post it here.... 
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03/03/2002 2:20 AM
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I did compose a d-d for the occasion of the first year of this board's existence. Since I am too modest to go fiche-ing for compliments, perhaps someone else would like to post it here
with pleasure, and with my compliments:
Higgledy Piggledy,
Anu Garg's AWADtalk
Celebrates one year of
Being today.
Stilling the urge to wax
Sesquipedalian,
I'll keep it short and say:
"Hip, hip, hooray!"
And as we are coming to the second anniversary, would you perhaps offer a complementary re-doubling of the dactyl to accompany that compliment?
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03/03/2002 2:51 AM
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Dear AnnaS,
I'm glad to be able to read your first-anniversary double-dactyl. How about treating us to another?
Here are a couple verses that highlight the most common varieties of metrical feet:
The iambs go from short to long,
Trochees sing a marching song,
Dactyls go dancing as light as a feather,
But the anapest’s different you see, altogether.
(Richard Lederer)
Trochee trips from long to short;
From long to long in solemn sort
Slow Spondee stalks, strong foot!, yet ill able
Ever to come up with Dactyl's trisyllable.
Iambics march from short to long.
With a leap and a bound the swift Anapests throng.
(Samuel Taylor Coleridge)
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03/03/2002 8:18 AM
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Tin ear strikes again. I gather I'm meant to be able to work out what each of the feet is from these rhymes? Let's see. I can tell stressed from unstressed, so let's apply that to the first line.
Trochee trips from long to short;
S-u S u S u S
Hm, looks like cataleptic iambic tetrameter to me. So let's try a different track. I can tell open from closed syllables by looking for the presence of a final consonant.
Trochee trips from long to short;
o-o C C C o C
Nope, can't recognize any patterns there. But a "long" syllable in the classical languages is one which is either closed, or has a long vowel. Both tro- and chee- are long the way I say them, so that makes it:-
Trochee trips from long to short;
L-L L L L s L
At which point I confirm I'm not destined for a career in poetry or music, and give up once more.
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