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OK, we all know that NZ is New Zealand. This makes sense to me. But how did OZ come to mean Austrailia? Is it short for Old Zealand?
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02/11/2002 3:16 AM
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OK, we all know that NZ is New Zealand. This makes sense to me. But how did OZ come to mean Austrailia? Is it short for Old Zealand?
Oh, Angel, this is my kind of topic - anything which drags Aus and NZ into a topic together has got to be fun...  C'mon stales, doc, MaxQ, CK ... bring out yer versions of the story.
While the K1W1s would love you to believe that they are the new and improved version of Aus, this is not to be believed.
I'm hazarding a guess at the official origins of it, but I suspect that despite being pronounced 'Oss-TRAY-li-a' in most places in the world, in Strine (English with Australian accent - read drawl - and attitude) it is more likely to be pronounced "Oz-trayl-ya".
Australia is abbreviated to Aus, which has evolved into Oz. The other correlation is from "Wizard of Oz" ... I'm sure. We may not have a wizard here, but there has to be some explanation for how John Howard manages to stay our Prime Minister !
Hereby handing over the banner to stales, doc_comfort? Any better explanations?
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02/11/2002 3:20 AM
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Hev -- it seems like just yesterday you were a newbie! A toast!
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02/11/2002 3:37 AM
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A toast!
Cheers, Keiva! If only career progression happened this quickly !
Think I should just jump to addict status, because it far more adequately describes my state! Love it here..
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02/11/2002 4:55 AM
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02/11/2002 5:30 AM
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I HATE the way so many USns pronounce Aussie - the "ss" should be pronounced as "zz", not "ss".
Is there a reason the "ss" is pronounced "zz"? And does this mean that Australia is supposed to be pronounced Auztrailia? Does this "zz" sound occur in other Australian pronunciations where an "ss" is present, or does it just happen in the word Aussie? [truly confused-e]
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02/11/2002 5:55 AM
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Brissie (Brisbane) - zz
Swimming Cossie (costume) - zz
And to further confuse, mozzie (mosquito).
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02/11/2002 10:43 AM
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02/11/2002 11:39 AM
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Aussie - the "ss" should be pronounced as "zz", not "ss".
does this mean that Australia is supposed to be pronounced Auztrailia?
If it were Ausie, maybe we'd let you get away with this gross violation of proper English pronunciation rules but the double ess requires you to retain the unvoiced sibilant. As for the pronunciation of the name of the country, it's properly Australia because the sibilant is followed by an unvoiced plosive. Or do y'all pronounce it Auzdralia?
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02/11/2002 12:47 PM
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Damn it's good to have Hev around - she saves me so much work! What she said. And congratulations on your further ascendency m'girl....sulking because nobody complimented him upon his Addiction - all to busy with slings and arrows it would seem
Those of you that still wonder may rest assured that it's a magical place and thus there's merit in it being named after Dorothy's destination. (Though we would have called her "Dot". Why? Because it's shorter than "Dorothy")
And - also what MaxQ said about Ossssie - PLEASE - IT's OZZIE!!! Why? Because it's shorter than "Australian".
Faldage - re "Auzdralia". You sort of got the first bit right - but we never pronounce the end of a word properly. Why? Because they're all too long.. We simply call the place "Oz" or "(unspellable grunt)-straya"
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02/11/2002 1:00 PM
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{blue}...sulking because nobody complimented him upon his Addiction - all to busy with slings and arrows it would seem{/blue}Congrats, and keep on dict-ing! LMBYABeer!
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02/11/2002 1:26 PM
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RE:sulking because nobody complimented him upon his Addiction
i actually think focusing on stranger, newbie, addict, and all the other titles is stupid, and leads to the idea that being a pooh bah is superior to a newbie..
i am very pleased that no one notice my last two title changes.. i don't think being a pooh bah means anything, except i have a good on line connections, and more time on line than some. Annastrophic has been around much longer, and still isn't a pooh bah-- does that make her contributions less valuable?
I don't care about the titles.. i can see how, at first, this board attracted users who where not familiar with BB software, and the idea of titles. but since we know the title are just a soft ware "feature" why do we still think they are important?
if you are new, you can click on Max's signature, which will take you to his wonderful page with tips, trick and links back to some discussion about titles.. or you could LIU.
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#56292
02/11/2002 2:30 PM
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Progressive Category Groupings of Awad posters, Mz. Troy, are, I think, in a word- "fun". Milum.
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02/11/2002 3:29 PM
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>Progressive Category Groupings of Awad posters, Mz. Troy, re, I think, in a word- "fun".
oh, you think it's "fun" that when you've made many, many posts you get "carpal tunnel"....
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02/11/2002 3:45 PM
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An old friend of mine had two Australian Shepherd dogs, one named Aussie, the other named Arriet. The great thing about the (admittedly cheezy) joke is that you only get it if you know the Australian pronunciation and the old US TV show (Ozzie and Harriet). By the way, do you call them Australian Shepherds in Australia (since they actually originated in France or somewhere)? Here's a link to a photo of one, in case you don't know what breed I'm talking about: http://www.australianshepherds.org/adult.html
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02/11/2002 4:36 PM
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Annastrophic has been around much longer, and still isn't a pooh bahWhat do you mean, not a pooh-bah? Vicious slander!! [tongue-in-cheek -e] I shall defend the lady! [But fully agreeing with your substantive point that the content is what counts, not the artificial title.]
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02/11/2002 5:28 PM
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OOPs, like me, she was quiet about her promotion, and i missed it..
i did become a pooh bah before her, for no other reason than i didn't move, or have to replace my hard ware, or worse yet, have to share telephone line time with someone else! No skill or expertize is associated with being a pooh bah.. just the number of posts.
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02/11/2002 9:04 PM
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… and Tassie - zz
Hey paulb, where you been? Lurking in the background somewhere. Hey stales, doc, you didn't tell me we had a Taswegian with us! Hello!! What a good cross-country representation we have.
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02/11/2002 9:17 PM
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Damn it's good to have Hev around
"Oh!" she says, blushing with all the false modesty she can muster.
And stales, were I around when you became an addict, I would have been congratulating you! Actually I would have said Congrats. Why? Because it's shorter!
And now, back to our sponsor: words. I used to hang around with a whole lot of USns, who were often offended by the common Aussie use of the word "Damn". Can someone (anyone? Bueller? Bueller?) confirm whether this is still a no-no?
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02/11/2002 9:30 PM
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Helen, I totally agree with you. Occasionally (not always, mind you! ) it ends up being a question of quality vs quantity. (back to settling in to the snowy scape and fighting over computer time...)
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02/11/2002 9:32 PM
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a whole lot of USns, who were often offended by the common Aussie use of the word "Damn".Depends on the circumstances, hev. As they say, circumstances alter cusses. The reason men speak softly thus is
That circumstances alter cusses,
And naughty words scream out like sirens
When uttered in the wrong environs.-- by guess who?http://whisperingwind.homestead.com/shucks.html(without comment on the gender-commentary therein! )
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02/11/2002 9:42 PM
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> USns, who were often offended by the common Aussie use of the word "Damn"
they must not have been from the N. tier, or they would have thought nothing of that after hanging around with Canadians.
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02/11/2002 11:25 PM
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WOW! Thank you all for your input on NZ and OZ. Now....what is Maori..or is it Maaori? I've seen Max and Faldage use the double a, and Kiwi and Milum use the single a, all within the last week. Is this the same thing?
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02/11/2002 11:34 PM
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The US, a state established with out any organized religion, by a group of men that at best, called them selves Diest.. (the sort of believed in the idea of god, but hadn't settled on any one demomination or sect of christianity,) has become one of the most relious countries about.
Oz got off to a better start-- you had convicts! we had religious fanatics. and we still do. Fact is, a greater percent of US population attends a church services, with greater regularity, here, than almost any where else in the free world.
we started out with a dozen or so sects, but that wasn't enough.. we went on to create new ones.. most are nominal christian.. but some like LDS (later day saints, more commonly known as mormans) are pretty much at the edge of christian beliefs.. and most large cities, (well east coast) have a fairly large percent of santana--denegrated as voo-doo, it is nature as god religion.
there are sect and sub sects, and even science fiction writers can make up a religion.. just look at Dyanetics.
with all these religious types abounding, it not hard to find a crowd that looks unkindly on swearing..
me, i am a diest, i believe in god.. but swearing? don't forget, it was god who told the devil, Go to hell, and as for jesus, he was mine kind of guy, his first public appearence, he goes to a wedding party, and when the liquer runs out, turns water into wine, and on the last night before he dies, he goes out drinking with his buddies.. almost enough to make anyone a christian.
excuse me now, while i run and duck for cover..
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02/11/2002 11:43 PM
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02/12/2002 12:10 AM
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Hmph. I must be slipping. It took me days to notice that this thread shoulda been called OZ and NZ.
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02/12/2002 12:15 AM
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Hmph. I must be slipping. It took me days to notice that this thread shoulda been called OZ and NZ. TEd? It's been here less than 24 hours!
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And then I went and misspelled daze.
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02/12/2002 12:37 AM
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> do you call them Australian Shepherds in Australia?
Flatlander - though I'm sure there's a good explanation how they got their name, we simply don't have them in Australia!!
"Truly" Australian dogs are the Australian Cattle Dog and the Sydney Silkie Terrier. ACD's come in both "blue" and red colours, more commonly known as Blue (or Red) Heelers - watch them with a mob of cattle and you'll know why. This trait has enabled the breed to lend their name to our police force - and is the title of a long running (heavily watched) TV cop show / soapie. I'm proud to say I've not seen one episode!
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02/12/2002 12:41 AM
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> What a good cross-country representation we have.
Hev......are you saying that Tassie is part of Australia?............well I'll be buggered.
The things you learn at AWAD.
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It took me days to notice that this thread shoulda been called OZ and NZ.Yes, Tedster, there ARE a lot of odds and ends here, aren't there? (Naming no names, of course!) Hev--paulb is the sweetest man in all of Ta zmania--an utter delight and privilege to know him!
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02/12/2002 1:57 AM
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Yes, Tedster, there ARE a lot of odds and ends here, aren't there? (Naming no names, of course!)
Hev--paulb is the sweetest man in all of Tazmania--an utter delight and privilege to know him!
Oh, duh ... it's taken me this long to figure out what TEd meant! Thanks Jackie!
Thanks also for the personal recommendation - and despite ol' stales belief to the contrary - paulb is an Auzzie so I figure he's orright! Even if he is a Tazwegian ... How many TaZmanian men do you know, Jackie?
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02/12/2002 2:45 AM
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You do know of the Australian psychologist and the Kiwi proctologist who went into practice together, specializing in OZ & NZ?
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02/12/2002 3:49 AM
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You do know of the Australian psychologist and the Kiwi proctologist who went into practice together, specializing in OZ & NZ?I'll bet that in those countries they have plenty of oddballs and arses to deal with!
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02/12/2002 11:20 AM
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<Tassie is part of Australia?>
Them's fightin' words down here! We're Tasmanians and youse are mainlanders, stales and hev et al.
An' I'm comin' over to check youse out in a week or so -- on the Devil Cat -- and then drivin' to Brissie and back.
I hope all you non-Aussies have your atlases out!
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You do know of the Australian psychologist and the Kiwi proctologist who went into practice together, specializing in OZ & NZ?
I'll bet that in those countries they have plenty of oddballs and arses to deal with!
And I'll note that the K1W1s have got the arse end of that deal...
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02/14/2002 11:42 AM
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from Iris Murdoch's The green knight (p. 450):
" … I'm going back to dear old Oz where I belong, where the sky is where it ought to be, way up far above in heaven, not sitting on top of your head the way it is here [London]."
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Sorry...bringing this thread back up. Max, thank you for the demonstration of how Maori/Maaori should be spelled. I knew I could count on you for a link. But what is it?
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