#55795
02/15/2002 10:33 PM
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Hmmm. To be honest. I was kinda hoping the Russian skaters would hand over one of the gold medals to Salé & Pelletier. I may be naive but I *don't think the skaters were in on it (who would have pride in a medal one cheated to get?).
Handing over a medal would have won their place in the history books, and in the hearts and minds of people the world over, like saying "we know you were cheated and you deserve this."
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#55796
02/15/2002 10:49 PM
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#55797
02/15/2002 11:05 PM
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That's exactly it Max. Maybe I'm overyly empathic but I feel sorry for the Russians and have from the start. The scapegoat is so often the little guy and these are the littlest guys.
That's why I thought the swapping would have been a great idea.
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#55798
02/16/2002 1:09 PM
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Please do not mistake my sentiments re the Canadian and Russian skaters. The Russian pair are wonderful skaters.
I was writing about one particular performance.
I saw the presentation of the medals and noticed the Russian man shook his head and he had rather rueful expression. Seen because the Russians were shaking hands with the Canadians who were on the podium, backs to the camera and the faces of the Russian pair were fully visible.
The latest news from the IOC says there is "no evidence of Russian involvement" in the incident (alleged misconduct by French judge.)
I look forward to the next time the two teams compete. Every competition stands alone.
And, both pairs are young and could well meet again in four years.
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02/17/2002 2:54 AM
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Australia's Steven Bradbury wins Gold in the speed-skating short track!...when all the other skaters collided and fell! Congrats stales, hev, doc, paulb, et al! 
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02/17/2002 3:01 AM
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#55801
02/17/2002 3:07 AM
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How do they decide who gets silver and bronze? Did anybody slide across the line all askew?
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#55802
02/17/2002 3:18 AM
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How do they decide who gets silver and bronze? Did anybody slide across the line all askew?
Nope. I'm afraid, bel, that the (please excuse me for using this, I know it's a 'dirty' word in Canada right now) judges decided by who they thought was ahead at the time of the collision, I guess. It happened near the end of the final lap, too. Ouch!
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02/17/2002 6:03 AM
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At least no one was killed. A moment of silence for Dale Earnhardt, if you please.
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#55804
02/17/2002 7:03 AM
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I think this is our first ever gold - only a few bronzes in the past?
Wow - hey - we'll take it - however they come!!
And - I READ IT FIRST AT AWAD - Had to Google for the full story!!!! Shows how good our crappy 1 hour coverage per night is!
My neighbour asked a good question.....how will Bradbury regard the win - will he feel good about the "win" now - or some time in the future?
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02/17/2002 7:34 AM
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The figure-skating debacle was interesting from my perspective. We were in France at the time and when I watched the French summary of the day's events they showed a clip of the Russians, but not the Canadians. I wasn't aware that anything was going down at all. Then I found the BBC channel ... flipping backwards and forwards, the Beeb was interested in little else and the French channel was showing the luge. Do the French have a conscience? As I said, interesting. As for the Australian gold, take it wherever you can, I say. Well as long as "I" ain't Steve Waugh, I guess.
The idiot also known as Capfka ...
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#55806
02/17/2002 8:56 AM
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02/17/2002 12:38 PM
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Yup, I agree, he should feel good.
Speed skating is not just about getting first to the finish line, it is also about doing so while staying upright on an extremely slippery surface.
The same applies to a lot of winter sports. The surfaces and environment of the race/event are a part of the whole gestalt.
Congrats to him.
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#55808
02/17/2002 12:47 PM
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Yep, fair and square. And in the clips, bel, they showed that the Silver medalist, Ohno, actually crawled over the finish line, cutting his leg with his skate in the process he was so determined to finish with a medal...the fall occurred only 20 meters away! I don't know about the Bronze medalist, though.
That's the sport!...Bradbury deserves it. Congrats, again, and well-done!
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#55809
02/17/2002 1:21 PM
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Saw an interview with Stephen (?Steven - I should learn to spell his name!) tonight. His plan before arriving for the games was to repeat his bronze of four years ago. The tactics were to skate his best, get into the final, take rear position and assume / hope at least one would fall, hence opening the way for a place. He succeeded beyond his wildest dreams.
He stated that the win didn't feel quite right, but that was an appropriate reward for him and his parents, considering all the hard work and sacrifices over the past 13 years. (In his words, "Short Track is a low profile sport in Australia and there's no money in it").
This is his 3rd Olympics - and his last. It will feel better with time.
My wife and I (probably with many others) were proud of the humility he showed on his victory lap and on the dias - and the fact that he sang along with the national anthem - the first time it's been played at a Winter Olympics!
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02/17/2002 3:21 PM
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Advance Australia Fair was proclaimed as our national anthem after exhaustive surveys of national opinion. In 1974 the Australian Bureau of Statistics conducted a national opinion poll of 60,000 and in 1977 a plebiscite for a national song was conducted. On each occasion, Advance Australia Fair was the preferred option, and it was in consideration of such support that Advance Australia Fair was proclaimed as the national anthem by the Governor-General on 19 April 1984.
"ADVANCE AUSTRALIA FAIR"
Australians all let us rejoice,
For we are young and free;
We’ve golden soil and wealth for toil;
Our home is girt by sea;
Our land abounds in nature’s gifts
Of beauty rich and rare;
In history’s page, let every stage
Advance Australia Fair.
In joyful strains then let us sing,
Advance Australia Fair.
Beneath our radiant Southern Cross
We’ll toil with hearts and hands;
To make this Commonwealth of ours
Renowned of all the lands;
For those who’ve come across the seas
We’ve boundless plains to share;
With courage let us all combine
To Advance Australia Fair.
In joyful strains then let us sing,
Advance Australia Fair.
Advance Australia Fair - Julie Anthony
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#55811
02/17/2002 3:31 PM
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wow: Advance Australia Fair was proclaimed as our national anthem
What? When did that happen? I knew Australian culture was creeping in, what with the summer Olympics and Survivor:Australia.
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#55812
02/17/2002 4:40 PM
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1) Hosannah! 2) Did I hear that the decision not to re-run the race was made by an Australian referee? 
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#55813
02/17/2002 5:13 PM
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>My wife and I (probably with many others) were proud of the humility he showed on his victory lap and on the dias - and the fact that he sang along with the national anthem
I know what you're saying. I get goosebumps watching my countrymen play and teary when they win. You should be proud. And I really hope he does rejoice in his medal - he deserved it.
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02/17/2002 5:46 PM
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Aye, 'twas foretold in the Bible.
Matthew 19:30
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02/17/2002 9:48 PM
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Congrats stales, hev, doc, paulb, et al!
Oooh, I just lurve that I get to share in Steven Bradbury's success - yes, we're a pretty proud nation down here at the moment for our first ever Winter Olympics Gold, and thanks for your wishes W'ON (and everyone else). CONGRAT ULATI ONS! Steven Bradbury!!
And in reply to Max Q since I can't be a***ed posting again:
"Well done Oz - how'd ya rig tha one?"
No need to rig, Max. Just took the usual Aussie approach to things:
"She'll be right mate"
"If you hang around long enough, someone is bound to stuff up"
"It worked last time (semi-final). If it ain't broke - don't fix it!"
proud to be Aussie!
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#55816
02/18/2002 1:00 AM
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Thanks for posting the words wow - just a quick note but....
Julie Anthony (credited at the base of your clip) is a well known Auzzie singer - does a marvellous job of the anthem at footy matches etc. As for who wrote it - dunno.
The second verse is unknown to 99% of us. I for one read it with interest! You'll note most of the audience reading from song sheets at sporting contests - or the bouncing ball on the big screen!
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#55817
02/18/2002 3:08 AM
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No Tsuwm, it was really gratifying to see the two pairs amicably taking their places and being honored. The Canadians certainly deserved the gold medal (I saw their performance and it was every bit as good as it was said to be), but the Russian pair did not deserve to be penalized by having their medals taken away. Apparently the young people themselves saw it that way. For once, good sportsmanship prevailed (among the contestants, at least). Vivat Canada!
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02/18/2002 5:25 AM
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02/18/2002 7:07 AM
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Excellent link Doc - thanks!!
Now I know that:
* Who wrote the thing
* There are 5 verses.
* The second verse we sing is aksherly the 3rd
* (To cross thread) Flag waving was unpopular back in '84 ....."Mr Peter Brown, 21, of Middle Park said: "I don't like flag-waving songs, 'Click go the Shears' would be just as good - at least sheep can identify with it."
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02/18/2002 11:33 AM
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02/18/2002 12:45 PM
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Whilst watching the opening ceremony I could not help but notice how the Europeans and North Americans trembled with fear before the mighty hordes from the Antipodes.
27 from Oz (3 of whom were knocked out of their comp on the first day) and 19 from Zild. Be very, very afraid.Congrats, Oz! This makes your earlier post even funnier, Stales. Have a look at the write-up by Tom Humphries in today's IT. It's a howl! http://www.ireland.com/sports/olympics/winter/2002/news/0218/news1.htm
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02/18/2002 1:24 PM
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Wonderful - thanks for that, Rubrick!
Now a word question [unshocked]
Long hair and a little smig which looks like it's been stolen from somebody's genitalia. (EA)
From context I can figure what he *probably means, but is anyone else owning up to knowing this word?!
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02/18/2002 2:21 PM
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If you Google Australian National Anthem you'll get lots of choices. The one from the Boys Brigade link has the words and automatic music and also offers words to "Waltzing Matilda!" and other neat stuff. The blurb says : Composed by Peter Dodds McCormick sometime around 1878 and in 1983 a new version of the song was adopted by ... http://www.boys-brigade.org.au/ozfacts/natanthem.htm Was the former anthem "God Save The Queen?" smig No idea, do tell.
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02/18/2002 3:15 PM
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Smig:- slang term for a strip-shaped goatee beard.
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02/18/2002 3:22 PM
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yeah, that's certainly what I *hoped it had to be!
so it that specifically Irish, do you know Rubrick?
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02/18/2002 3:33 PM
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so it that specifically Irish, do you know Rubrick?
You know, I really haven't a clue! I can't find a reference to it anywhere. OED and Cambridge refer to some sort of 19th c. Haddock bait.
Guess it's a coined word.
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02/18/2002 5:08 PM
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FYI, WO'N, it wasn't a judges' decision as to who got silver and bronze. Short track photo-finishes are decided by when the tip of the blade crosses the finish line... all of the competitors had enough presence of mind to know that they still had cause to get across the line, and head-first wasn't going to do. Very interesting to watch Ohno's finish with that in mind ~
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02/18/2002 7:32 PM
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! A trophy to Australia for having a national anthem that makes no reference to bombs, guns, swords, and other implements of destruction. I'm still puzzled by the plebiscite, though. An Aussie friend tells me that "Waltzing Matilda" nearly won out. True or false? (that W.M. nearly won, not that a friend told me  ) - I suppose I should also say that the same friend asked, "Who is this Gert, and what's she doing by the sea anyway?" Tsyganka, who wishes the U.S. had a different anthem
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02/18/2002 8:33 PM
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Oh, ours is pretty harmless. In fact, in effect, it's saying "please don't come over here and beat the living bejeesus outta us 'cause we can't do a damned thing to stop you!" The words are here ... http://nz.com/NZ/Culture/Music/NatAnthem.htmlWaltzing Matilda, on the other hand, appeals to many Ozzies because it glorifies a sheep stealer which, deep inside their larcenous hearts, most Ozzies wish they were ...
The idiot also known as Capfka ...
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02/18/2002 11:43 PM
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Cap, I gather that NZ was a rather religious place by your anthem. Is it still so?
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02/18/2002 11:57 PM
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02/19/2002 12:03 AM
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And we did it again...CONGRAT ULATI ONS Alisa Camplin in the ski-jump!!
My, my .. with this kind of success, Australia will be a world-power in winter sports in no time ha ha
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02/19/2002 12:12 AM
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OMG - Anotheree - and this time won fairly and squarely!!!!!!!!
Thanks for all your best wishes.
Henceforth this week should be known as Olympic Gold Week - and be a public holiday throughout Oz and its dominions.
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02/19/2002 1:14 AM
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Tom Humphries' article is a howl - THANKYOU.
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