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Is there a specific term for someone who states the obvious? Can anyone enlighten me as to what it is?
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01/29/2002 1:38 AM
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Dear hev: Thanks for a post to reply to. I have a remarkabler command of the obvious, but at the moment cannot think of a name for it. I believe there is a term for it in the byu.edu rhetoric site. But there are so many terms there, it takes a lot of patience. If you use Yahook just typing the above into the search box will bring up the site. I'll go look for URL to add as PS, but by the time I get back somebody else will have posted it. http://humanities.byu.edu/rhetoric/silva.htm Start in column at far right. click give definition
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01/29/2002 2:01 AM
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Dear hev: I just made up a word that might do: "Platitudinarian"
P.S. I retract claim of invention. My dictionary doesn't have it, but American Heritage online does.
SYLLABICATION:
plat·i·tu·di·nar·i·an
PRONUNCIATION:
plt-tdn-âr-n, -tyd-
NOUN:
One who habitually uses platitudes.
ETYMOLOGY:
platitudin(ous) + –arian.
Thereby documenting my modesty in claiming a remarkable command of the obvious.
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01/29/2002 2:46 AM
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Oh, yea, another Aussie! Welcome, hev! If you'd care to, tell us where in Oz you live. (Yi, that first came out 'where you love'--that would be TMI!!)  I haven't a clue as to an answer--just wanted to say hi. tsuwm would know--c'mon, Honey, you know you can do this.
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01/29/2002 12:15 PM
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Is there a specific term for someone who states the obvious?Ron Welcome aBoard, hev
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01/29/2002 2:41 PM
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Dear Mav: May I gently point out that hev has not been with us long enough to enjoy your insider joke. If he ever does enjoy it, which is so often a put-down.
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01/29/2002 2:42 PM
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Welcome, hev. I think you'll like it here. This place is a lot more fun than that other place. I haven't given up on Peter Corey yet, BTW. I'd check out wwh's site. He's one of our best researchers.
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01/29/2002 2:50 PM
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your insider joke. If he ever does enjoy it, which is so often a put-down.I understand your point, but do not agree. Treating newcomers in a friendly way, while alerting them to the fact that there is already a community with certain shared values, jokes, and other linguistic quirks appropriate in a language forum is, I believe, a good way of getting people to join us on an equal footing. Anyone asking for explanations of our quirky ways gets a fair and civil introduction. and Bill, to platitudinarinisationificate, he(v)'s a she 
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01/29/2002 3:16 PM
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Dear, sweet, Mav: I think you have a cerebral fecal impaction if you expect hev to know about tsuwm, or his little foibles and alter egos. I do not think newcomers should feel obliged to read all of the past horseshit on the board before they dare intrude into our sanctimonious sanctum sanctorum. So hev ought not be required to know about tsuwm's "ron obvious." And I do not feel it essential to check on gender of participants Your ever loving friend, Bill
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01/29/2002 3:28 PM
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to platitudinarinisationificate, he(v)'s a she Mav, if Hev's an ausie, and female, wouldn't she be a sheila?
(Aaagh! am i becoming a nitpicker? Food-- where is there some food? could i start a thread with the same theme as this weeks NYT sunday puzzle? its all food idioms..)
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01/29/2002 3:57 PM
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Dear of troy: Not all Aussie shes are sheilas.
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01/29/2002 4:26 PM
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>to platitudinarinisationificate...
dear mav, you know that I don't like to obviousize, but there's no need to bandy about neosesquepedalianisms® like that.
regards,
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01/29/2002 6:52 PM
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01/29/2002 7:13 PM
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cerebral fecal impaction
You'll surely be scaring away newcomers with comments like that.
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01/29/2002 7:23 PM
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Well, I'm fascinated by the conversation which has ensued as a result of my question! Thanks all for the welcome! I'm quite bemused by the discussion related to my gender, nationality and newness to the site. It would seem that the idiosyncrasies and "in jokes" of your group are of far more concern to you than they were/are to me. True, I didn't understand it all but nor was I worried. In my true-blue-est Aussie SHEila fashion from way down here beyond the Black Stump I say "Stone the crows! What's all the fuss about?"
BTW, someone (cannot remember who - my apologies) proffered the word axiomaniac as a speaker of the obvious. I like it! Thanks!! :-)
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01/30/2002 1:07 AM
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Dear MaxQ: I believe the insider stuff is very off-putting to newcomers. I have had several participants who have since left the board express unhappiness with it, thinking it was intended to exclude them.
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01/30/2002 1:15 AM
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Too bad, Bill. It's a simple fact of life that *any speech community develops its own connotations and linguistic markers,and this one is no different. But what we can do is avoid making it deliberately exclusive - and this I think we do quite well by making a generally friendly atmosphere.
We really need to stop thrashing this stuff out endlessly and get on with the topics.
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01/30/2002 1:19 AM
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Dear dr bill..
there is always going to be insider talk/ outsider talk.. we are open and friendly here.. and insiders will catch on or if they don't, they can ask..
tea leaf and half inch.. over in some other thread..got explained fast enough.. and fishonabike (oh, shona, where are you!) and Freds =thread got explained.. and goodness knows, we all share trade secrets on color and emoticons.. and Max makes it easy.. you don't even have to look them up!
this is an adult site.. grown ups can figure things out!
and besides, we need HEV-- all our downsiders are gents.. we need a sheila on the board.. so Hev, you hang out.. any minute now, Jackie will give you a great big southern (US!) welcome.. and if sparteye findsout you like sports.. while we chain you down and won't let you get away!
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#54191
01/30/2002 1:21 AM
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Psst . . . I think talking about this stuff in public might be part of the reason people don't stick around.
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01/30/2002 1:28 AM
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01/30/2002 1:35 AM
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My vote is for more word stuff, and stow the inside stuff. The expression of indifference about its being off-putting to newcomers stinks.
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01/30/2002 2:04 AM
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so Hev, you hang out..
Okey dokey - I'm hanging out... not too far though
any minute now, Jackie will give you a great big southern (US!) welcome..
Oh, "of troy" I've already experienced Jackie's fantastically warm, southern US welcome. Thank you Jackie 
and if sparteye findsout you like sports..
Why .. what happens if I confess to an extreme enjoyment of sports which are not traditionally appreciated by the female race? (Cricket, car racing, rugby league/union, soccer) What are you/they going to do to me?
while we chain you down and won't let you get away!
Oh my  
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01/30/2002 2:45 AM
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Welcome Hev. Just what kind of car races?
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#54196
01/30/2002 3:08 AM
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Amen to your invisible comment, Jazzo. To all the other squabbling regulars: ENOUGH ALREADY !! Y'all have inundated another thread with interminable hashing over the same problems, now you start on another. I have kept my $.02 out of it until now, but I'm here to tell you I'm tired of it and I'm sure I'm not alone. If y'all can't give it up, use PMs and leave the board free for what it's intended to be.
To Hev: welcome ! Delighted to have another Aussie, and of an interesting gender at that. Cricket fan? Would be glad to have you get into that, since, as I noted in another thread, I love that cricket talk. Would you be so good as to explain the meaning of the Black Stump? I tremble in anticipation of hearing about this. (I believe there are stumps in cricket.)
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01/30/2002 3:36 AM
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all those posting from up here in the Southern Hemisphere were also male.
Uh, not quite, Sweetie. Bridget and Lucy.
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01/30/2002 5:08 AM
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To Hev: welcome ! Delighted to have another Aussie, and of an interesting gender at that.Hey ladies....we are now an interesting gender! What were we before I wonder? Love ya Bobby!And a big, Buffalo welcome to you Hev!
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01/30/2002 2:05 PM
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Dear Hev, May I suggest : Enjoy what you understand Ignore the rest That's what I do -- it promotes great peace of mind!! Welcome, welcome ! Glad to have you with us.
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01/30/2002 2:06 PM
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...not s'posed to let the facts get in the way ... Sorry! I'll try to be more astute in future.
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01/30/2002 9:07 PM
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Rally specifically... have a dream to one day drive a rally car. But in the meantime, I'll just watch - and enjoy!
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01/30/2002 9:16 PM
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Hmmm... glad my gender is interesting - that's good for (roughly - don't quote me) 50% of the world Thank you for the welcome. "Beyond the black stump" is an Aussie slang expression for a long way away, or the middle of nowhere. So - hope the description was worth the trembling... and I can safely say that there are no black stumps in cricket unless there's been fires, which there has been, but none (as I'm aware) made it onto any cricket pitches. Hev
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01/30/2002 11:08 PM
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Thank you Angel. I'm not sure what a Buffalo welcome is (hope I'm not going to be stampeded ) but thanks all the same!! Despite the dirty linen this is a lovely place to be! Hev
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01/30/2002 11:49 PM
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Dear hev: to tease of troy, I posted that not all Aussie shes were sheilas. I hoped your might comment on that. When I was in WWII, the word sheila was a teensy bit disparaging, alleging they were more welcoming to GIs than their parents' approved of. There was a story about a GI who broke his engagement to a US girl to marry sheila. His ex-girlfriend demanded to know what the Australian girls had that she didn't. He replied, "not a thing, but they've got it here."
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Dear wwh, Well I'm VERY impressed to be learning of the history of my own culture in this environment... perhaps I should at the somewhat tainted reputation of the "sheilas" who have gone before me . The connotations associated with sheila have obviously been lost over the years. It's actually not used a lot these days. Great story - and you're right. Under those definitions, I'm a SHE, but not a SHEila (but I did appreciate the pun, of troy ). Hev
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01/31/2002 12:39 AM
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I'm not sure what a Buffalo welcome is (hope I'm not going to be stampeded )Not unless you tell me you like Buffalo Wings! In case you missed it...buffalos don't have wings, chickens do.[off my soap box-e]
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01/31/2002 6:46 AM
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there are no black stumps in cricket
Oh, yeah? Then what were (was?) the Ashes made of?
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01/31/2002 6:54 AM
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There are things which are obvious that are neither axioms nor platitudes.
For example, if the Emperor's Fool had been doing his job he would have said:
"While it may be true, Nuncle, that your worthy subjects will see you clad in this fine raiment, you must remember that the unscrupulous will see you as though you were naked. Do you really want them to see you so?"
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01/31/2002 8:12 PM
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I'm not sure what a Buffalo welcome is.
It would a bubaline welcome.
Or, were a toad (family Bufonidae) to hail you with a cockney accent, his greeting would be a "Buf. 'allo".
This, of course, becomes an excuse for re-opening the thread of "animal adjectives".
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