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not quite as gutteral
"You can tell a man who boozes
By the company he chooses" ~
And the pig got up and slowly walked away!
Oh, I see. Pardon me, Maverick. I really didn't mean any disrespect to the Welsh language or the Welsh. All I meant to imply is that the pronunciation of some words in Welsh are harsher in some instances than other languages and I was stuck for a way in which to describe these differences. Perhaps gutteral is not the correct term. Could you suggest a more correct description??
Peace,
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Perhaps gutteral is not the correct term. Could you suggest a more correct description??Hey, absolutely no offence taken! [/keiva] I was just pulling your leg with one of my favourite old music-hall tags, brought to mind by your previous post – may I suggest, in honest reply, the alternative “gutt ural”?  But you should immediately © gutteral – “He swore at me in gutteral® tones!”
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"Perhaps gutteral is not the correct term"
Interesting how many words used to describe accent are meaningless xenophobic putdowns
In particular the use of "gutteral" to describe a distaste for German. When I was studying German I remember a leading authority pointing out that English has sounds more gutteral than any in German.
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a leading authority pointing out that English has sounds more gutteral than any in German.
Not true, by my understanding of it. Guttural is no longer used as a technical term in linguistics, but if it refers to any sound made in the throat or back of the mouth, German has a lot more than English.
Both languages have [ h ].
German has [ x ] as in nach, doch.
German also has the glottal stop [ ? ] before any word beginning with a vowel, as in eins = [ ?ains ].
Added. Also German has a guttural R, a uvular approximant to be exact.
Further, German speakers typically have greater throat constriction; I think their vowels are pharyngalized (the root of the tongue presses closer into the pharynx as a secondary articulation), though I won't swear as to the exact nature of this articulation.
I agree that 'guttural' is usually bandied about as a meaningless derogatory term, but I think in this case it's accurate in its literal meaning.
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"You can tell a man who boozes
By the company he chooses" ~
And the pig got up and slowly walked away!
This is the second cryptic reply I've received this evening. Care to explain it to me??
Even I got it and I'm usually the last one.
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"You can tell a man who boozes
By the company he chooses" ~
And the pig got up and slowly walked away!
This is the second cryptic reply I've received this evening. Care to explain it to me??
Even I got it and I'm usually the last one.No, no. I got it (eventually and thanks to many references from other board members, admittedly). Just a bit slow on the uptake these days. Put it down to my inherited Irish thicko genes! 
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So have you copyrighted gutteral yet?
If you don't have one handy, you can borrow this one:
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So have you copyrighted gutteral yet?
If you don't have one handy, you can borrow this one: ©
Thanks for that, Faldage. I was wondering how to get it up in markup!
Funny how a Freudian typo © (patent pending) can become a newly coined word!
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To preplete the poem referenced by mav:
JUDGED BY THE COMPANY ONE KEEPS
One night in late October,
When I was far from sober,
Returning with my load with manly pride,
My feet began to stutter,
So I lay down in the gutter,
And a pig came near and lay down by my side;
A lady passing by was heard to say:
"You can tell a man who boozes,
By the company he chooses,"
And the pig got up and slowly walked away.
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