#52484
01/11/2002 1:18 PM
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There's a great one moving through my head these days--and I would like to net in words that may explain that movement.
Glaciers--glaciated--and the words that are the verbs for the kind of slicing and heaving they do.
Anything you may throw into the big word pit of things glacial I sure would appreciate to help my imagination come to terms with this colossal movement. The after-effects, too, but especially that movement and what happens. Links welcome here...and many, many thanks for whatever you may dig up. (Proper nouns...anything here. Really. Anything.)
Best regards,
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#52485
01/11/2002 2:38 PM
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here's some abstruse ones (and a joke):
firn [G] (also névé [F])
cirque [F] (also cwm [W])
randkluft [G]
rognon [F]
bergschrund [G]
moraine [F]
Then there was the guide who was explaining matters
to a group of tourists. "And these rock formations
were piled up by the glaciers," he said. " But where
are the glaciers?" asked an elderly woman. "They've
gone back, madam, to get some more rocks."
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#52486
01/11/2002 3:28 PM
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When I was a boy I often played on a large hill almost a hundred feet high shaped a bit like half of a football, with points to the north and to the south. It was the only large hill for miles in each direction. I did not know until recently that it was a "drumlin" meaning a place where something managed to resist the bulldozing action of the glacier, forcing the glacier to split and go around it on two sides.
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#52487
01/11/2002 6:48 PM
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Well, there are always crevasses. Every glacier has some, the more obvious the better, obviously. Nanatuks are the tops of hills which have resisted the ice and are poking up above it. Dunno if that's any relation to Bill's drumlins. But rather than bore you with my definitions of what they are and aren't, here's a link which should tell you everything you would ever want to know: http://www-nsidc.colorado.edu/glaciers/glossary/index.html
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#52488
01/11/2002 7:41 PM
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Thanks for the link, CK. It reminded me of chuckle I got when a woman added to description of property she wanted to sell that it contained an "esker path". A sly way trying to make a virtue out of fact much of the land was useless because of deep deposits coarse rounded gravel for which there was no demand.
This was material that had collected in a large crevasse, and eventually wound up in an irregular stream at bottom of the glacier fed by melt water. It is believed that the ice was a mile deep until it retreated about sixteen thousand years ago.
Interestingly, pollen studies have indicated that it retreated at about a quarter of a mile per year. No clue as to rate at which it had advanced.
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#52489
01/12/2002 5:42 AM
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Till, debris deposited by glaciers
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01/12/2002 5:49 AM
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If a glazier installs glass, does a glacier install glace? (Look it up in a French dictionary!)
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01/12/2002 9:15 AM
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How do different AWADers pronounce glacier? With a sh sound in the middle (glaysher), or glas (short a)- ier? Or something else?
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01/12/2002 9:38 AM
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01/12/2002 1:22 PM
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01/12/2002 1:38 PM
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Glaysiated v. Glayshiated?
The "sh" is a more cutting sound--there's more push in it--more of a shovel in it--than in the "s," a weak sibilant here at best.
Shoving off,
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01/12/2002 3:47 PM
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"sh" is a more cutting sound
You gotta be kidding. "Sh" is a sound you use to put a baby to sleep. "Ssssss" is the sound of a canoe sliding down a glacier almost carrying you across the road and sending you to certain death in the valley below, littered with glacial pebbles the size of houses but so far away they look like pebbles.
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#52496
01/12/2002 4:07 PM
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Faldage, if you can't feel the force of the "sh" in push, then your imagination is turned off.
This is a matter of dynamics and delivery:
"Sh's" a lot of things--a lot of forces--"sh" at pianissimo is just right for that babe in arms--but, give it a fortissimo--and you've got the force of football--push 'em back, push 'em back, way back!--and at 10,000 times fortissimo, you've got your glacier pushing, too. Glaysher, that is.
However, all that said, I liked a great deal what you wrote about that canoe, though it's no glacier.
Best regards,
Wordwind
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#52497
01/12/2002 4:14 PM
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I pronounce glacier "glaa-seer". But then I'm Zildian.
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01/12/2002 4:35 PM
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Dear CK: I remember very clearly a TV series David Attenbury presented on PBS twenty years ago, in which he pronounced the big ice sheet word as "glasher" as in basher dasher, lasher, masher. Wonderful series, amazing guy.
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01/12/2002 4:42 PM
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I remember very clearly a TV series David Attenbury presented on PBS twenty years ago, in which he pronounced the big ice sheet word as "glasher" as in basher dasher, lasher, masher. Wonderful series, amazing guy.Didn't know that David Attenborough had such good competition!  Attenborough and I pronounce the word "glacier" the same way.
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01/12/2002 4:43 PM
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One more glacier word. When the ice sheet forced medium sized stones to slide across large areas of stone that could not move, deep scratches were left in the stone surfaces on the bottom. These scratches are called "striae", and show the direction in which the ice sheet was moving.
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01/12/2002 4:54 PM
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Dear CK: Joke on me. I searched for "David Attenbury" because I was not sure of spelling, and got a thing about "birds" and wrongly surmised it was the BBC TV marvel David Attenborough. But I do remember very clearly how he pronounced the word: glasher. I say again, marvelous series, admirable man.
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01/12/2002 4:54 PM
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the force of the "sh" in push
It's the pop of the p in push that gives it the force. The sh is the sound of it shlooshing to a stop like someone silly enough to think that it's a neat idea to put on 30 lbs of equipment so that he won't know he's been hurt when someone 50 lbs heavier than he has popped him back.
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01/12/2002 5:05 PM
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It's the pop of the p in push that gives it the force. The sh is the sound of it shlooshing to a stop like someone silly enough to think that it's a neat idea to put on 30 lbs of equipment so that he won't know he's been hurt when someone 50 lbs heavier than he has popped him back.
Bolding deliberately left out. I couldn't be bothered. Are you saying that "push" is exclusive to American sports?
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01/12/2002 5:29 PM
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This thread is starting to sound suspiciously like the stotting thread with a heavy sports patina. Shall we go for the hat trick, Helen, and make it a food thread?
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01/12/2002 6:43 PM
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Well, Consuelo, there's the sh in shish kebab--and there's a push in that, too.
And, Faldage, it's not just the p in push--there the "uh" and the follow up thrust in the "sh."
Besides, there's also shove. There's push and thrust in that, too.
I just can't accept that "sh" is reserved for calming babies.
Hushed for a while,
Wordwish and wishes can be pretty powerful forces matching the movement of certain glayshers
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01/12/2002 7:22 PM
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The best thing for calming babies is a bust in the mouth.
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01/13/2002 12:31 AM
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The best thing for calming babies is a bust in the mouth.
Now Dr. Bill,
Must we go there again?
Angel
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01/13/2002 12:57 AM
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Dear Angel: That is one of the truly most beautiful things in life. No ribaldry in that comment.
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01/13/2002 1:42 AM
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For me, in glacier the sh always had a touch of a "z" lanced into it...almost like glazier, but not quite. Perhaps closer to the mid-consonant sound in brassiere...which, in the etymology of its other form, brasserie, has: OF bracier! where's that booby emoticon when you need it?
And in glacial the sh always a bit softer...gla-shul.
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01/13/2002 2:09 AM
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the mid-consonant sound in brassiereIs that what you think is in brassiere? [  for you]
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#52511
01/13/2002 1:16 PM
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> How do different AWADers pronounce glacier?
glay - see - ya
Post Edit: and glay - see - yull (as in full)
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01/13/2002 1:29 PM
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dubdub - I hope you reach the pot of gold with your mental matters glacial - read on....
One of the principal methods of finding ore bodies in Canada (and elsewhere I presume) is by drilling into the "boulder trains" left by glaciers and subsequently buried by sediments. The trains are located by various geophysical means such as gravity, magnetic or radiometric surveys and drilled into. If the glacier originated or passed through a mineral rich area, the chunks of rock torn off and transported down flow will contain anomalous traces of the mineral the company is seeking. Follow the anomalies up flow until they stop and you're standing on top of an ore body!!
Sort of like Hansel and Gretel's bread crumb path.
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01/13/2002 3:38 PM
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Dear Stales,
What you've provided here is gold indeed. Many thanks for your post--I think that train is just the one I need to catch to work what I need to work.
Best regards,
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01/13/2002 3:44 PM
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That is one of the truly most beautiful things in life.
[embarrassed-e] I agree.
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01/14/2002 2:02 AM
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dubdub Further to the previous post re boulder trains ("tills"), the following URL may be of some interest. It's an academic paper and as such the jargon is full on - but there are some pretty pictures of many of the features associated with glaciers that've been mentioned here. You'll need Adobe Acrobat to read it. http://www.em.gov.bc.ca/DL/GSBPubs/GeoFldWk/1998/paulen.pdfstales
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01/14/2002 2:05 AM
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I'm with stales on this one. Which is not really a huge surprise as he lives just up the road.
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01/14/2002 2:10 AM
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Wow, stales--have we hit on another culture variation in names for the same thing? Tills, I've heard of, but thought train must be something new to me. Is that term unique to Oz, do you know? Or is till, to here? (I also just realized how little it would take to make this post very surreal...)
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01/14/2002 2:28 AM
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> "...thought train must be something new to me"
Not sure where you're going on this one Jackie - perhaps my thought train is coming off the tracks?
Unless they remember their high school geology, most Aussies probably wouldn't know what a till (in the geological sense) is. The most common use of the word here would be as an alternative for "cash register". (Begs the question, why DO we call it a till?)
As for trains of thought, I think we all have those, irrespective of where we live. My problems are that there's far more tracks leading out of my own Grand Central Station than there are stations and there's no map of the network. Consequently many of the trains that depart never get to where they are supposed to, some arrive well after their scheduled ETA and others just crash into each other. I recently sacked the Fat Controller and took over his job, but have yet to fully establish the situation in the marshalling yards.
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01/14/2002 11:39 AM
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Not sure where you're going on this one Jackie I'm sorry, Darlin'. Instead of "but thought train must be something new to me", I should have written: but I thought that the word train must be describing something new to me. Man--I said it would take very little to make that post surreal! And, I thought at first reading, that the end of YOUR post was surreal, but finally caught on. Can you give my Fat Controller some lessons, please? And maybe a map of my destinations?
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01/14/2002 4:10 PM
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New England was covered with rounded stones when the first settlers got here. In some places there was hardly enough room to put feet down between them. I have seen areas that were never cultivated because there were just too many of them. I have a mental video of the ice slowly moving forward like a colossal bulldozer, rolling the jagged stones over as it passed over them, then the ice retreating perhaps a quarter of a mile in summer, then advancing a half mile in winter, rolling the stones over again and again, until the sharp edges were gone. I sure would like to see a diagram of how the geologists picture that action.
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01/14/2002 6:23 PM
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dr. bill, CK's site gives a different definittion of drumlin: teardrop shaped landforms are created largely from glacial till,, that is, from heterogenous glacial drift material.
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01/14/2002 8:00 PM
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Dear Keiva: The drumlin I played on was made of till, to be sure. But it was far higher and more massive than the majority made by till falling into a crevasse. There appeared to be a rock formation that parted the oncoming glacier. allowing the till to be deposited in the empty "V" behind it. In a few places in New England there are remnants of volcanic activity and other magma extrusions that might have made the drumlin I described.
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Also the opportunistic Presidential advisor in Carl Sagan's magnificent sci-fi story "Contact".
Cheers,
Bryan
Cheers,
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You are only wretched and unworthy if you choose to be.
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