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01/02/2002 4:19 PM
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Anu wrote this in one of his explanation paragraphs: Listat grew out of a sed, awk and shell hack I put together Ok--I can understand that Listat is something that grew out of something he put together, and I think "hack" means that it was sort of put together of pieces that weren't necessarily designed to work together. But what on earth is "sed, awk and shell"? That sounds SO strange, to me! 
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01/02/2002 4:28 PM
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All I can figure is some kind of cyber-abbreviation for sediment and awkward. The only other awk I know is auk, which brings us to the Great Auk and Aukland, and the smaller auklet (which rhymes with chocolate), but surely none of that applies here. now let's see where this thread ends up!
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01/02/2002 4:29 PM
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to a hawk.
These terms are understood by those to whom they are UNIXly aimed.
Do you C?
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01/02/2002 4:50 PM
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One click further give you the definations. SEd being a Stream editor-- used for editing streams of text on the fly.. Auk is programing lanuage -- but as faldage points out, this is all Unix stuff.. as a language, Unix is not so much user unfriendly, as just, damn particular with who it make friends with... at least according to the Unix nerds i know. http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/sed2/desc.html
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01/02/2002 5:47 PM
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to really get full value of these though, you need the unix descriptions as taken directly from the online manual: awk - pattern-directed scanning and processing language awk scans each input file for lines that match any of a set of patterns specified literally in <program> or in one or more files specified as -f progfile. With each pattern there can be an associated action that is to be performed when a line in a <file> matches the pattern. Each line is matched against the pattern portion of every pattern-action statement, and the associated action is performed for each matched pattern. The file name - means the standard input. Any file of the form var=value is treated as an assignment, not a filename. An assignment is evaluated at the time it would have been opened if it were a filename, unless the -v option is used. sed - stream text editor sed copies the named text files (standard input default) to the standard output, edited according to a script containing up to 100 commands. Only complete input lines are processed. Any input text at the end of a file that is not terminated by a new-line character is ignored.
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01/02/2002 6:17 PM
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thats great tsuwm! i sent Jackie a PM about Shell (you're welcome to copy and post it Jackie!)-- and warned her-- she was liable to get answers that were strings of words, and that while each word on its own was understandable, the string would be techno babble..
both of these definations require some understanding of programing languages, and programing logic.-- it sound like Auk is the basis of a threaded bulliten board.. it lets us add text to an open file ( Any file of the form var=value is treated as an assignment, not a filename. )--(ie, any thread--)
and sed is the text editor to the files.. (so we can edit..) but i am just guessing here.. i know just enough unix to recognize it..
if any one really knows Unix (Musick, aren't you one of the local Unix nerds? or maybe Xara can find us someone.. there are some unix nerds lurking here.. i told unix jokes... and some body got them.) maybe thay can make the explaination understandable to a computer neophyte.
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01/02/2002 7:04 PM
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01/02/2002 7:10 PM
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i told unix jokes... and some body got them.) maybe thay can make the explaination understandable to a computer neophyte.
well sure...
on second thought.
I once sat "over the wall" from a unix geek and he had the temerity to make fun of me for being a VAX geek, to wit:
There once was a system called VMS
Of cycles by no means abstemious.
It's chock-full of hacks
And runs on a VAX
And makes my poor stomach all squeamious.
to which I perforce responded:
an unfriendly system is hp-ux*
'tis obscurantism deluxe
and speaking of unix
(remindful of runics)
this OS unequivocally sux
...but I digress.
*the HP version of unix, fondly pronounced h-pux, or more formally, hockey pucks
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01/02/2002 10:07 PM
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Aukland? Where is Aukland?Like the great Groucho Marx once said, Max: "Well if you don't know, then I'm not gonna tell ya!" [waving cigar e-]
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01/02/2002 10:36 PM
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IMHO, if anyone who doesn't work with Unix wants to know more about sed, awk and shell, they are seriously ill. Sick. Go see a computer repairer ... tsuwm, I worked with VMS for a couple of years and loved it. Then I discovered Unix because I had to. While I now understand it reasonably well, it's a bit like comparing a Rolls Royce with a Mini full of spare parts plus an owner's manual ... grep that, you sods!
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01/02/2002 10:39 PM
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Aukland? Where is Aukland?It's extinct, isn't it? Oh, no, that's right, they found that it wasn't. Did they move it without leaving a forwarding address? 
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01/02/2002 10:45 PM
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01/02/2002 11:45 PM
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01/02/2002 11:51 PM
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01/03/2002 12:01 AM
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Ah, but the third one? The Aukland Institute of Technology??  What's up with that?
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01/03/2002 12:13 AM
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01/03/2002 2:03 AM
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Wow, thanks, all! Ask and ye shall receive...! Here's what Helen sent:
a shell is a type program-- a shell program (like the shell on an oyster) is a protected program that ususally is a control program for a network.
just as shell corporation will hold the stock to other corporations, shell programs holds the network information.
did you have a computer back in DOS days? before everyone had windows.. you had to have a "bootstrap start" on floppy or "autoexe.bat" (an automatical executed batch) file on your hard drive.. shell program are similar to autoexe.bat files.. but they are for networks.
the shell promgram had all the address for all the other programs the network needed to run.
shell programs are very simple --but very powerful, think of them as a type of pass (master) key to a network.
In the sentence is sounds like Anu created a Shell program-- (Hack(ed) one) but since he was running a list server --not a standard network, his shell had was not a straight forward one.
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01/03/2002 6:29 PM
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--not a standard network...
ef... pm... I'm feeling ill all of a sudden... rm... purge...
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01/03/2002 7:14 PM
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Way back when I first said this was all I could reveal.
I could tell you more but your brain would implode.
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01/03/2002 7:49 PM
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about that CSo I guess, Max, this leads us to the inevitable question. Is C part of the original spelling or was it added later. And, if added, why? And is auk a Maori word or derivative? And why can't the world get it right?
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01/03/2002 8:50 PM
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Auckland was named by William Hobson (the main perpetrator of the Treaty of Waitangi, may he rot in hell) after his former commodore, Lord Auckland. At the time that Hobson was naming names, the namesake was Viceroy of India and no doubt, like many of his ilk, milking the country for everything he could. He also had a ship named after him that plied back and forth between the UK and Australia, carrying convicts.
Unl1ike the Awk, happily that Auck is now distinctly extinct ...
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01/03/2002 8:56 PM
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Auckland was named by William Hobson after his former commodore, Lord Auckland.
CK, was it Hobson's Choice?
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01/03/2002 9:34 PM
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aukI always assumed that auk was derived from a native language of the South Pacific Basin, but the dictionary reveals that (wrong!) it is clearly from the other end of the world... auk is of Norwegian/Icelandic origin. What the...?
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01/04/2002 8:28 PM
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CK, was it Hobson's Choice?
No, that was the choice the Maori had. And many of them realised it.
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