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#5158 05/22/2001 5:02 PM
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High Flight
Thank you, dear wow, for this beautiful contribution. I've never heard of the poem or the author up to now.


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Sonnets
Avy, I like the site you posted. It gives a good account of the Italian forms and the Shakesperian forms. You will have noted that the Milton sonnet quoted there is in the form ABBA(bis)CDECDE, which is somewhat unusual. The New Collossus which I quoted earlier in this thread has the form ABBA(bis)CDCDCD. John Donne, in the Holy Sonnets, used the form ABBA(bis)CDCDEE, which became a very common form. There is also the form ABAB(bis) with most of the aforementioned arrangements for the sestet. As to my preference, while I enjoy all types of sonnets, I think the Donne form the most interesting; it never gives the sing-song sound you get with some of the others.

I was also interested in the description of the ghazal, which I read about in a most interesting book set in India at the time of the partition, when it was still possible for Moslems and Hindus to be friends and share an evening of listening to ghazals being sung.

I think it is time for a new thread, so I am starting one on Sonnets etc. and will begin with one of the prototypes by Petrarch. I hope you will contribute some ghazals with some notes on their structure etc., since you don't like the notes given in the url.


#5160 05/23/2001 2:00 PM
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A city different
Than Carl Sandburg's
Rises to meet the hot sky
as I politely ask pardon
for interposing myself
between two identical-looking men
screaming at each other
in a plate-glass window.
The queens are holding court
in Boys Town.
The poverty claims another victim
in Cabrini Green.
Multifarious mundane cruelties unfold
with corporate efficiency
in the suburbs.
Bienvenidos a Little Village!
where every day
more and more
es el dia de los muertos
Brought by hard-eyed men
Tattooed teardrops fall
from eye to hand,
marking them in their sorrow, these
sons and grandsons
of the first generation
who came here
and discovered:
The skyline markers of Wright
of Mies van der Rohe,
are monuments
to an America
you must crane your necks
and peer northward to see.



#5161 05/23/2001 3:54 PM
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If that's your own work, my dear Kit, congratulations. I enjoyed it very much. It reminds me of Ferlinghetti, one of my favorite poets, so you can take kudos for being compared to him.


#5162 05/23/2001 7:36 PM
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Very nice, thanks for sharing that! Now, am I jealous of your skill, or do I envy it?


#5163 05/24/2001 1:44 AM
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A city different.......

I must add my praise and applaud the difficult work of creating your very own art. Congratulations!



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#5164 05/24/2001 8:12 AM
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Very good, Slovovoi ... you are accomplished.



The idiot also known as Capfka ...
#5165 05/25/2001 7:44 PM
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Slovovoi,
Every time I come to this thread I reread your work, and enjoy it more each time! And that's more of a compliment than you may realize: I don't like depressing things, as a rule.
Namaste.


#5166 05/25/2001 8:03 PM
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slipped the surly bonds of Earth . . . and touched the face of God.

The immortal words used by Ronald Reagan after the horrible explosion of the Challenger.



#5167 05/26/2001 5:02 PM
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"High Flight" by John G. Magee is well known among members of the US military, especially and naturally, the U.S. Air Force.

I had it printed on the back of my late husband's Memorial Card. He was a in USAF. On the front was his picture and dates/places of birth and death with my and sons' names.
I mailed the cards to far-flung friends when I could no longer repeat or write the news another time.
Is this a practice of Memorial Cards used in other places?
What poem would you want on your card?

Tsuwm, A great idea to start this thread. Perhaps you might consider "#2" as this is getting rather long?


#5168 05/26/2001 7:37 PM
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Oh, where do I start!! Y'all have reminded me of things I've forgot and things I never knew.

One of my favs is Masefield's Cargoes, simply for what it taught me about sound in poetry:

Quinquireme of Nineveh from distant Ophir
Rowing home to haven in sunny Palestine,
With a cargo of ivory,
And apes and peacocks,
Sandalwood, cedarwood, and sweet white wine.

Stately Spanish galleon coming from the Isthmus,
Dipping through the Tropics by the palm-green shores,
With a cargo of diamonds
Emeralds, amethysts,
Topazes, and cinnamon, and gold moidores.

Dirty British coaster with a salt-caked smoke stack
Butting through the Channel in the mad March days,
With a cargo of Tyne coal,
Road rail, pig lead,
Firewood, ironware, and cheap tin trays.


-- John Masefield


#5169 05/27/2001 3:47 AM
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Here's one of my favorites ("Hyla" is a breed of frog that inhabits the brook); I especially love the poignant last line:

HYLA BROOK

by Robert Frost

By June our brook's run out of song and speed.
Sought for much after that, it will be found
Either to have gone groping underground
(And taken with it all the Hyla breed
That shouted in the mist a month ago
Like ghost of sleighbells in a ghost of snow)--
Or flourished and come up in jewel-weed,
Weak foliage that is blown upon and bent
Even against the way it's waters went.
Its bed is left a faded paper sheet
Of dead leaves stuck together by the heat--
A brook to none but who remember long.
This as it will be seen is other far
Than with brooks taken otherwhere in song.
We love the things we love for what they are.

By the way, you lovers of verse might well enjoy a great site I frequent: <eMule.com> The Poetry Archives
They have over 3,500 classic poems archived (mid-20th Century and back), and an interesting and lively discussion forum. So click on over and maybe I'll meet you there!


#5170 05/27/2001 11:18 AM
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wow requests: tsuwm, A great idea to start this thread. Perhaps you might consider "#2" as this is getting rather long?

wow, BobYB has done this for us. See Sonnets etc right down thar


#5171 05/28/2001 8:34 PM
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Ah-HA!
Hasn't been good last couple of days ... my computer DIED and I am at a cybercafe with all the town's computer junkies ... I needed a FIX. (Confirmation that this place is an addiction.) Computer Magic Man comes Wednesday ... Will I survive? Will $$$ hold out?
Hold good thoughts. Do not expect any answers to Email for a few days.
Thank you for allowing me to post this...
wow


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I do not like this thread to break yet so here is another sublime rhyme.


Hymn to Intellectual Beauty
(An excerpt)

The awful shadow of some unseen power
Floats though unseen among us--visiting
This various world with as inconstant wing
As summer winds that creep from flower to flower--
Like moonbeams that behind some piny mountain shower,
It visits with inconstant glance
Each human heart and countenance;
Like hues and harmonies of evening--
Like clouds in starlight widely spread--
Like memory of music fled--
Like aught that for its grace may be
Dear, and yet dearer for its mystery.

Spirit of BEAUTY, that dost consecrate
With thine own hues all thou dost shine upon
Of human thought or form--where art thou gone?
Why dost thou pass away and leave our state,
This dim vast vale of tears, vacant and desolate?
Ask why the sunlight not forever
weaves rainbows o'er yon mountain river,
Why aught should fail and fade that once is shown,
Why fear and dream and death and birth
Cast on the daylight of this earth
Such gloom--why man has such a scope
For love and hate, despondency and hope?


Percy Bysshe Shelley

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