#50233
12/20/2001 2:46 PM
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A) They've got to be in some order. It's not possible in this medium to have them scattered willy-nilly across the page.
2) Alphabetical order, chronological order, in order of greatest to least cranky-ol'-joe index; these are all particular orders.
Þ) If you don't use a particular order, but you are using an order, they are "in no particular order". Irregardless.
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#50234
12/20/2001 3:10 PM
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faldage, thank you so much for obviousizing my no. 10 (irrespective of your other egregious miscreancy).
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#50235
12/20/2001 7:56 PM
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No doubt holding steadfastly to a linear universe. Can the given order, one that apparently has no intentions of 'use' yet still is *uttered first-to-last (let alone given numbers after the fact), be completely or even easily ignored? Faldage - as someone who "hates philosophers" you have become the chosen one...
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#50236
12/20/2001 11:27 PM
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Foremost among my considerable collection of pet peeves is the word arguably. Look at it. It is ugly. The fad use of this ugly word introduces contention, without resolution, into the lyrical flow of sentences by the interjection of three harsh syllables (or four if you are from the south) to say little or naught. Besides, what ever happened to that nice word "perhaps"?
Until a minute ago I thought the use of this godawful word was limited to bureaucrats, politicians, National Public Radio commentators and others whose speech is largely bereft of meaning but burdened with new age buzz. Certainly I didn't expect to see the use of this vulgarism on the illustrious AWAD board.
It was Tsuwm. In a post in Q&A he wrote...
Paleontologist S.J.Gould, arguably, the most ...
"Nooooooooooo!" I screamed, scaring the cat. Not Tsuwm, hero to some, mentor to many, the Pooh-Bah voted most likely...no, not the great Tsuwm. The computer screen shuttered in disbelief, and then blinked off.
I sat alone in the darkened room overcome with sadness. Then, suddenly I brightened.
"That's it!" I cried, scaring the cat. Tsuwm, inarguably astute, had not used the A-word in vain after all. The inclusion of "arguably" was an important encoded personal message to me. I had been argueing with Faldage. So decoded, the word "arguably" reads...
Do not argue with Faldage, you will lose.
Outside my window the sun shines and birds sing and the great Tsuwm looks down from above and all is right with the world once again.
Milum.
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#50237
12/21/2001 1:16 AM
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> What are some of y'all's pet peeves?
(1) As oft stated.......just about any attempts at communication from sports broadcasters' mouths.
eg: "They're rising to the challenge and taking up the gauntlet, the Eagles"
(2) Attempts by those with limited speaking or writing skills to sound otherwise - especially those attempting to sound official. Police statements are a good example
(3) The word "actually". It's a useless thing and should be banned.
wow - three posts in one - I'm slipping!
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#50238
12/21/2001 1:16 AM
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all peevishness aside, milum, that was, arguably, the highlite[sic] of my day -- if only you had made that little extra effort and quoted me accurately. (there's no. 23!)
copyright © ron obvious, 2001
p.s. - there ain't no T in tsuwm -- if anyhing should be uppercased in tsuwm it would have to be the s.
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#50239
12/21/2001 2:02 AM
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I think you were less wrong than I was on exaptation. Well, except that I think Gould is wrong if he is suggesting exaptation to include preadaptation and whatever that other silly word was. Exaptation should replace preadaptation and preadaptation should replace whatever it was for reasons I outlined in the middle of our Glory.
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#50240
12/21/2001 11:04 PM
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arguably
three harsh syllables (or four if you are from the south)huh? I sure ain't from the south, but how do y'all pronounce that with only three syllables. ar-gu-a-bly Or are you saying that one of the four isn't harsh, and simply the use of a southern accent invariably makes all of them harsh? 
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#50241
12/22/2001 12:15 AM
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Ar - gyu (silent a) - blee
I've heard it pronounced like that down here quite often.
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#50242
12/22/2001 11:35 AM
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The Jazzoctopus wrote... Or are you saying one of the four syllables isn't harsh and simply the use of the southern accent makes them all sound harsh?Well not exactly, Jazzoctopus, it depends on the southerner doing the saying. Take the word "Damnyankee" for example. My buddy Elmo Womack can make all four syllables sound harsh, while his sister Mattie, can make "Damnyankee" sound like music to the ears.  PS to Musick: You are right, If I were to pronouce the word I would pronounce it that way myself.
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#50243
02/09/2002 4:33 PM
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here's #16, which I had forgotten (see list):
16. use of juxtaposed to mean something more than placed side by side (i.e., transposed)
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#50244
02/09/2002 5:13 PM
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I wasn't around when this took off, but here are a couple that grate on me:
Kudos used as a plural. (I know, dictionaries are starting to knuckle under, but it's still awful.)
Sentences like this: Give it to whomever wants it.
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#50245
02/09/2002 5:31 PM
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Give it to whomever wants it.Love it. I shall inarguably use it often ...  Would you have been happier if they said "Give it to whomsoever wanteth it."?
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#50246
02/09/2002 6:03 PM
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A wise teacher once advised me: Be very careful how you use who and whom. And if you ever have the urge to use whomever in a sentence, stifle it. Whomsoever? Oy!
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#50247
02/09/2002 6:05 PM
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The idiot also known as Capfka ...
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02/09/2002 6:10 PM
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why can't the Yiddish experts (major assumption there) standardize their Orthography? Oi!
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#50249
02/09/2002 7:27 PM
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Oi gevald!
Mea culpa, already!
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#50250
02/09/2002 7:54 PM
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why can't the Yiddish experts standardize their Orthography?
Duh! It's transliteration. Yiddish is wrote in Hebrew characters. There's different conventions. You got the Hepburn, the PinYin, the Imperial and the Farnsworth. You're lucky nobody uses the Farnsworth anymore or you'd be seeing things like oai yebhalth.
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#50251
02/09/2002 8:04 PM
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You got the Hepburn, the PinYin, the Imperial and the Farnsworth.
I'm sorry, is this Arguments? I thought is was Pet Peeves.
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#50252
02/09/2002 8:17 PM
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I thought is was Pet Peeves.
No, you didn't.
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#50253
02/09/2002 8:38 PM
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Quite seriously, what the hell is the PinYin in relation to Yiddish? I thought that was a standard for Chinese ideographs! 
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#50254
02/09/2002 9:14 PM
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Why can't the Yiddish experts standardize their orthography?Says one source: The authoritative YIVO Institute for Jewish Research has tried energetically to create a standard Yiddish orthography, and standard rules for the transcription of Yiddish into Roman letters. These were "established" in 1937 -- and have been rather widely ignored ever since. Jewish philogists and editors, too, have attempted, not successfully, to set abiding standards and rules. ...
Part of the problem lay in the fact that certain linguistic rules, necessary for scholarly and scientific publications, are intensely resisted -- by the popular press, by deeply ingrained habits, and by the preferences of influential Jews to whom their own version of the vernacular remains sacrosanct.In other words, this board is not the only population of ayleurs!
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#50255
02/09/2002 10:32 PM
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PinYin -- Chinese
and Hepburn -- Japanese.
Imperial and Farnsworth I made up
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#50256
02/10/2002 4:39 PM
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For anyone interested : The books by Andrew Greeley SJ featuring Bishop "Blackie" Ryan are rife with that cleric's use of "arguably." Really good reads for mystery lovers but if you hate arguably read at your peril.
This drives me crazy : "Do you mind me taking the car today?" when it should be "Do you mind my taking the car today?"
It's those "-ing" words that cause the trouble.
Off with their heads!
And if you think I am totally off the mark here, well, I don't care. It's my birthday and I'll think what I want. So there!
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#50257
02/10/2002 5:06 PM
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If you think the - ing words cause trouble, just wait until Joe (caco)phony adds his "voice" to the chorus when we s xxx "Happy Birthday to You!"
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#50258
02/10/2002 9:11 PM
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none_be_missed
I have this song on a cd and the title list says it's "As someday it may happen". This is also the first line of the song.
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#50259
02/10/2002 9:22 PM
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It's my birthday
Well, then HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
Hev
"no longer a stranger..."
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#50260
02/11/2002 6:09 AM
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About the "Do you mind me taking the car today?" vs. "Do you mind my taking the car today?" - I've heard the first one used as "do you mind me taking the car?" (should I stay here & do something while someone else takes the car?) and the second used as "do you mind anyone's taking the car?" (do you need the car?) I haven't heard it often - but sometimes; it's another language in process thingie, I think. And happy birthday! Tsyganka, who hopes you have a glorious plenty of them
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