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i'm not sure if this is the right place to start this one,
but i'm really interested in animal adjectives in english.
words like ursine, bovine, aquiline.
i'd really love to hear from the resident geniuses - geniii? - who can add to my quotidian knowledge.
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Equine, feline...
I don't know how usual they sound in English...
An American man - trying to speak Italian - once said to me that English is two parallel languages; for a word there are often two forms - for example, speed and velocity - and the less usual form is that coming from latin...
Do you agree?
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i'm really interested in animal adjectives in english.---
Avian't ewe herd of simian-larities, Deer?
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I have a resource book somewhere which has a whole list of these, but here are a few that have stuck with me:
anserine - characteristic of a goose; (by extension) silly
hircine - characteristic of a goat, esp its odor
vulpine - characteristic of a fox; foxy, crafty
limacine - characteristic of a slug
and, in a stretch, sphingine - sphinx-like in character
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you have a resource book?
you ARE a resource book!
wish i was one tsu.
without throwing me in the YCLIP basket (cos i tried), is there one for giraffe?
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>is there one for giraffe? sure... giraffine (or giraffish) 
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thanks tsuwm!
and i was hoping for something i couldn't pronounce, let alone remember!
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Leslie Dunkling's "Guiness Book of Curious Words" gives a list of -ine adjectives. He doesn't mention anything for giraffes, but does give lots of others, e.g.:
bombycine, didelphine, soricine, trochilidine, and turdine (which seems most unfair, somehow).
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>turdine (which seems most unfair, somehow).
yes, unfair to thrushes everywhere!
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but not perhaps to thrush. or boom boom as a certain vulpine used to say. My apologies to non-British readers who will have no idea what I'm talking about. Bingley
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>>My apologies to non-British readers who will have no idea what I'm talking about.
Turn about fair play, I suppose.
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Rats! I was stuck on squirrely, weaselly, and mousy
Carpe rutila
Carpe whatever
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Well,ducky, there is also swinish, cocky, foxy, and, of course, fishy.
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camelopardine, anyone?
Trying to give them up, thanks.
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About today's word:
[Late Latin bovinus, from Latin bos, cow.]
(Here is another word that refers to cows: vaccine. It comes from
vacca, Latin for cow, after inoculation prepared from cows. -Anu)
There is a difference: bos is a MALE cow, vacca a FEMALE one.
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>bos is a MALE cow, vacca a FEMALE one no bull? But seriously, this is all kind of odd. the major sense of cow in English is "the female of any bovine animal (as the ox, bison, or buffalo); most commonly applied to the female of the domestic species (Bos Taurus)". Bull is most commonly applied to the male of Bos Taurus. cow and bull are also used in the same manner for other large animals (elephant, whale, etc.) In the U.S. cow is used for either sex of Bos Taurus (and the plural is cattle); and, interestingly, 'bossy' is dialect for cow (female) and toro is the Spanish word for bull. ole!
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In the U.S. cow is used for either sex of Bos Taurus (and the plural is cattle)
Well being a city folk-- i use Cows--for the plural too. "look, there are cows in the field" But beyond that, cows are milk cows-- and cattle are beef. So here in NY--on Long Island and upstate NY, dairy country, there are cows in the field. but when i went out to Texas, or cross country-- i saw cattle.
And for me, cows are female-- they have large, obvious udders.. (that how you know they are cows!) sometimes you'll see a bull in a field with some cows.. udderly devoid of cow like looks...
but cattle are those Bos Taurus that are not as obviously sexed--(most of my experience with cows is from a car going 50 m/p/h past a field.. i don't claim to have had much real contact with farm animals.)
With out an large udder, at 50m/p/h, a cow is hard to tell from a bull--and a herd of them become cattle.
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pugnacious - characteristic of a pug (by extension, tough, compact or, oddly, acrobatic)
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Just in for a short browse, but I had to log-in to respond to this one because I couldn't believe no one mentioned
serpentine: snakelike (and would you like a nice shiny red apple, Eve?), but actually more in the meaning of a slithery form rather than character.
and, then, of course, so obvious with all the bovine talk (and to quote good ol' Teddy Roosevelt): Bully! We'll have a bully good time!
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Since I brought up bully, I guess I better add bullish, too...as in financial jargon, or feeling sure or solid about something.
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Bearish? Opps, that's a swear word, isn't it? 
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And I sheepishly have to admit forgetting sheepish!
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I won't badger you about forgetting .... er, ... badger. And when someone has been soundly defeated in a game of cribbage, he has been skunked. An easy, close-in shot in basketball is a bunny. I shall doggedly pursue more animal terms. Release the hounds! The cat's out of the bag. Buy a pig in a poke. Cat got your tongue? My friend is hen-pecked, but he doesn't crow about it. Quit monkeying around. Quit horsing around. Lookout! Catfight! One of them will be eating crow soon enough. The other will be the scapegoat. Well, I've layed enough eggs, and milked this long enough. What a ham... [and I've segued into the inevitable food thread  ]
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Does anyone else suspect Sparteye's getting a little squirrelly?
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hi
can anyone tell me the origin of the phrase full monty please
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OK, Archie. Fess up. [squinting-through-the-fog-of-pseudonym-aliases emoticon]
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hmmmm..... one doesn't know who anyone is, if someone is signing up repeatedly.
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can anyone tell me the origin of the phrase full monty please
We could, but not here.
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Dear Archie: Since the old timers are so lacking in courtesy to a newcomer, I will send you a private message giving a URL about "full monty".
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I suppose he could be a newcomer -- although there are three(3!) widely dispersed (and more accessible) threads *labeled "full monty", whereas this one is "animal adjectives".... but hey, I'm just a cynical old curmudgeon.
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Since archie joined us two days ago, and this was his first post, he can fairly be described as a newcomer.
And accordingly entitled to courtesy, which he did not get.
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and that reminds another ole curmudgin', I gotta go an round up a few o them stray christians that wandered in here a while back
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Dear Dr Bill:
Be assured that if I thought he was a newcomer, I would have greeted Archie with a big welcome. But, I subscribe to the belief that one of the established jokers on the board (Maaaavvv????) has created an alternate identity for the sole purpose of poking fun at the multiple Full Monty threads. It is a funny joke, but one which needed to be called.
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Dear Sparteye: You may be quite correct. However it seems a bit infra dig to register a phony name for the purpose of having a corny joke. That could lead to nastiness in the wrong hands, such as addressing insulting remarks to other board members from behind a false front.
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hey, dat's a good idea.... 
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thank you for the welcome, doc. i am sure the others don't mean to be nasty, they can't help it
maverick, why do you use so many little silly faces, those yellow things? do you think know one will understand you or something.
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your meaningWhat's your problem, short arse? 
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Goody. Let's you and him fight. That should fun to watch.
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...why do you use so many little silly faces, those yellow things? do you think know one will understand you or something. Welcome abroad, archie. 'll bet you intended to capit'lize your name... do it now... befoe it's to late... Mav may not no this, but those 'ittle 'ellow things reelie help to clarifie. ...all others may reem me at will, peemly...
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This now sounds like the Irish Culture Society Newsgroup at its best.Very cultured, refined, lofty intellectual discussions.
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>Let's you and him fight.
it would prolly get very one-sided in a short hurry.
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So the bookmakers should make out like bandits.
by the way, archie, how is mehitabel these days?
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Welcome aboard, archie. I'll bet you intended to capit'lize your name
Of course the original archie didn't capitalize anything because he couldn't hold down the shift key and the a key at the same time (being how as there was only the one of him) but that shouldn't be a problem with the modern computer keyboard.
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Speaking of cockroaches, fearsome ones came up out of drains in both colleges I attended. Some of them were big as crayfish, and their legs were so rugged I was afraid to step on them with my bare feet. One of those guys would not be intimidated by the shift key. They could stand with hind legs on it and with front legs throw back carriage return lever. None of the ones I saw showed any sign of language capability, more's the pity.
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What's the adjectival form of cockroach?
Incidentally, I think Sparteye is spot-on in her assessment of archie. The precedent *has been set. I can count three AWADers who have logged on again recently under different handles. And I wouldn't be surprised if there were more.
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I can count three AWADers who have logged on again recently under different handles.
Call me oblivious, but who? I can only count one, unless this archie character is indeed an alter ego.
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OK, *guys (and you-all know who you are) let's have a rousing chorus, after 1-2-3:
"Me, myself and I
Have just one point of view:
We all think you're wonderful,
Anuuuu!"
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AS asks: What's the adjectival form of cockroach?
As a group they are referred to as the "Blattidae" . So perhaps the adjective form coul be "blattidine".
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RE: Some of them were big as crayfish, and their legs were so rugged I was afraid to step on them with my bare feet. (Dr. Bill's comment on roaches)
Dear doctor, i can't even stand the idea of killing baby roaches with bare hands or feet.. (way to gross!) One joy of owning a house is no roaches! (don't ask about ants) In apartment building, you are at the mercy of your nieghbor. if they are slobs/poor housekeepers the whole building can get infested.. but in a house, its all your own problem--or solution-- and with just a little care, you can live roach free..
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just a little care, you can live roach free.. Even a slob can empty an ash tray when it's full... 
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multiple Full Monty threads So I guess we could say that this board is full of monty, profuse with montification, overflowing with monty fullness. By the way, my alter-ego on this board is blank. I think it's been seen a few times lately. Problem is, I just can't get a handle on it. And let's adjectivize an animal while we're here... waspish. Dunno why, perhaps because of the stinging quips on this thread. And welcome to the Board, Archie... pay no attention to that man behind the maverick curtain...he's quite harmless once he leaves Oz in his hot-air balloon! hi, mav And, by the way, Archie...how's Edith and Meathead doing? The only roach adjective I know is roach clip.
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Since we are using more or less scientific names. "vespid" is the adjective for wasps.
Of all life's surprises, there is none that compare with stepping on a ground wasp nest you didn't know was there.
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Of all life's surprises, there is none that compare with stepping on a ground wasp nest you didn't know was there
Thank heaven for the silver lining ... meeting all those nice EMTs and ER doctors and nurses ... and living to tell the tale!
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What about nouns, instead of adjectives, for a particular animal species of a particular age and/or gender? For example, "horse" includes mare, stallion, colt, filly, and foal. There must be numerous others, beyond the obvious ones.
The subject inevitably involves animal husbandry, and so may prove stimulating.
(edit) My spouse points out that the above example notes only two genders; it ignores a third gender, exemplified by the term "gelding". (Draw no implications from the fact that it was my spouse who noted this.)
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The subject inevitably involves animal husbandry, and so may prove stimulating.Good heavens, Keiva! Whatever are you suggesting? 
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The subject inevitably involves animal husbandry, and so may prove stimulating.Good heavens, Keiva! Whatever are you suggesting?A can be as good as a nod, and I anticipate that there may be (t)wits who infer what isn't implied. (cf. Tom Lehrer (I think): "In college he majored in animal husbandry -- until they caught him at it.")
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While living in Mexico, I had many opportunities to squash those little, or some not so little, buggers. NEVER with my bare feet though[shiver]. Once during a power outage I heard a rustling in my kitchen and I had visions of them carting off my onions and tomatoes on their shoulders. That prompted "The Great Flashlight Massacre" that didn't end until the floor was covered with bodies. At another time I had a scorpion in a jar and fed him ala Norman Bates. (You know, guests from the Roach Motel).
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Dear Consuelo: there used to be a song about the cockroach being unable to walk because he had no marijuana to smoke. Did you try ripping off their bag?
La Cucaracha, la Cucaracha
Ya no quiere caminar
Porque no tiene, porque le falta
Limonada que tomar. (the last line has been changed from "marijuana que fumar."
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That song was a marching song, sung by the revolutionaries during the last Mexican Revolution. The last time I sang it was in Costa Rica the last 1 1/2 miles of a 5 mile walk on the beach, by the light of the full moon, after imbibing waaaaaaay to much scotch. It really helped! I accidently spell-checked this and it didn't recognise imbibing. Must belong to the temperence league !
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Ah--temperance as Max points out, a very politically charged word!
the US abound in them.. a hundred years ago, women were espousing Free Love, not the license of the sixties, but rather free love was a code word for reforming divorce laws -- divorce was such a taboo, they didn't want to even use the word!
One Temperance group came down a street filled with pubs, and tried to rally the drinkers with in to halt their evil ways.
an old cow, a bit worse for wear, staggered out, and seeing the uniforms, and musical instruments was moved to hand over a 5 quid!
the Temperance leader was thrilled, and asked, "which hymn would you like?"
the old cow looked over the motly crew, and announced, "(H)im there, the one with the big drum!"
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Dear of troy: Your evaluation of "free love" was rather narrow. For a more complete description see the URL: http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/1998/03/12feature.htmlMy favorite anecdote about free love is the legend that Isadora Duncan suggested to George Bernard Shaw that they have a love child. "Just think it might have your brains and my beauty!" GBS is alleged to have declined on the grounds that it might happen the other way around.
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the review of the book on Woodhull spoke of her many interest, sufferage, spiritualism and free love. it is hard sometimes to look at one movement with out being influenced by another. the free love movement uses the term free love, to promote the idea that love should be free and unshackled by law.
150 years ago, a woman, had no means to find cause (adultry) and even if she found it, no money or right to hire a lawyer on her own behalf, to sue for divorce. she was shackled to a man. (the further west you go in the US, the less this was true. Several of the western states had much more liberal laws) Divorce was so unspeakable, they used free love as code words. No one was then, and almost no one is now "In favor" of divorce. but we have come to see that it should be allowed. It is a rare thing to find someone who is happy about the idea of divorce. we might dislike our ex spouse, but feel sad that we ended up divorced.. divorce is unpleasant, (even if the thought of live with out our spouse is pleasant!)
just as, in this day and age, no one is Pro or anti abortion. the two sides have aligned themselves as "Pro choice" and "Pro life". abortion still has enough of a stigma, no one want to call them selves "Pro Abortion". and the other side, want to come across as positive, too, so they are not Anti anything, but Pro life.
It a good arguement. who wants want to come out and say they are anti life? Language is, and always has been used politically.
those of us, who have been members of "the fairer sex", the weaker sex, the better half, all know these terms (and others) are used to define women as different, less complete than men. they can, and are, used intimitately affactionately, (just as SWMBO can be), but the same words have been used to restrict women. we could do pages of them.. only some times, the users of the words are so sure, the words are OK-- and that women(or others) are just being hysterical.. they brush the whole thing off as being hyper Politically correct.
shade of what tsuwm said in another thread.. the words can mean what ever you want them too..
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Bien non, Of Troy, twas Humpty Dumpty said that... click http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/maxq/ and scroll down. (thanks MaxieQ)
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I think that I shall never see
a hippopotomus
pinnately resembling
a tree
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Or a chamberpotamus. Yuck.
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We have shamefully failed to give the praise due to this noble species, which has hippopotamultiplied to dominate large parts of the globe.
It is particularly prominent on the continent of Asia. In the Arab world, the hippopotamullahs rule the population of hippopotamuslims, who, travelling vast distances, pass through the capital city of HippopotaMuscat in the course of their annual pilgramage, or haaj, to HippopotaMecca. To the north in Asia, in Russia, the urbanized Hippopotamuscovites govern the rural Hippopotamujiks. To the south, the the Hindipotami rule the Indian subcontinent.
Their influence in Africa has waned since their glory days there, but that glory can still be seen in the massive, pyramidal tombs in which the most prominent Hippopotamummies were laid to rest.
In Europe, their cities of HippopotaMunich and HippopotaMuenster are key centers of the German economy, much like their Italian industrial cernter at HippopotaModena.
North America, of course, is dominated by the mighty muddy HippopotaMississippi River. A subttribe, travelling west to the Hawaiin Islands, established themselves as the HiloPotami and the HonoHippoluluPotami.
Moving up to Australia, it is of course well known that Oz is inhabited principally by HippopotaMunchkins, who settled along the mighty HippopotaMurrey River and its tributary, the HippopotaMurrumbidgee.
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a number of bulliten boards have been infected with the hippopotimus virus. as virus's go, it not to destructive, but it does cause every thread to contain HIPPO in some form. an other infect thread recorded what happens when the virus spreads to humans.. http://www.darwinawards.com/ See Hippo Hop for complete details, and active links. 2001 Honorable Mention Confirmed True by Darwin 31 July 2001, Ukraine | Before I retire this category forever, here's one last free spirit who learned a painful lesson while frolicking with large zoo animals. A Ukrainian woman hopped the fence at Kharkiv Zoo to swim with Masha the hippopotamus. The woman's playtime was cut short when the three-ton herbivore abruptly changed its dietary habit and mauled the intruder, in defense of its offspring. The sinking swimmer was rescued from the irate mammal by irate zoo workers, who sent her to the hospital where she was listed in serious but stable condition. Zoo officials said the woman's action was far from unusual: visitors commonly ignore warning signs and fences to cavort with the animals. Because this happens so often -- with polar bears, tigers, whales, and now a hippopotamus -- I am hereby adding it to the list of mental lapses which, while dangerous, occur too regularly to be amusing. Past winners include: Polar Bear Lesson Playing With Cats Killer Whale Rodeo DarwinAwards.com © 1994 - 2001
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Certainly, Max. I believe the species has pushed as far south as HippopotoMurray Island and McHippopoMcMurdo Station, thus expanding its range to a sixth continent, Antarctica. To date, however, I have been unable to establish any hippohabitation on the South American continent.
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'Mid Fantasi-astic images of terpsichorean beauties
en jete-ing and plie-ing in their hippopotatuti,
Many further inspirations I am tempted to educe
For the hippopoamusement of the hippopostaMuse,
But I fear 'twould be excessive, and that any further scrutiny
Would constitute incitement to a hippopotamutiny.
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The other interesting note on the Darwin page gives food for thought as to a possible explanation for our recent penchant for including hippos in our threads here:
"Hippos play an important role in the African ecosystem. Their dung feeds tiny water microorganisms, which in turn support a food chain of larger creatures. On land, their large bodies and grazing habits make trails that provide other animals with easy access to water holes. [Seaworld]"
Could they be stirring the pot? Fertilizing our poor, overworked little brains? Just a hippi thought. There certainly have been a wealth of posts recently! Ball's back in you're court, Dub Dub. See, Jazzo, what did I tell you? Food, sports and hippopotomi!
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and no-one yet has mentioned the theme song of hippopotami: -- "Mud, mud, glorious mud".
With acknowledgement to Flanders and Swann.
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I read somewhere this week that a hippopotamus is more closely related to a pig than to a horse, which isn't electrifying news or surprising.
However, and more to the point, in reading over this thread and coming to Paulb's "Mud, mud, glorious mud" post above, I thought of a hippopotamud, which sounds like a hippodrome-sized pot of mud, say, one for the convivial pleasure of mud bathing with the thousands.
And what is the name of that now extinct cow in the cave drawings==the auroch something or other?
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Max, I just tried the link, but the page is down. Hope it is, indeed, "temporarily unavailable." I'd like to read Caesar's description if it's there...
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I just tried the link Max gave and it worked. In case you are still having trouble, here is Caesar's desceription from that site
"They are but a little less than Elephants in size, and are of the species, color, and form of a bull. Their strength is very great, and also their speed. They spare neither man nor beast that they see. They cannot be brought to endure the sight of men, nor be tamed, even when taken young. The people who take them in pitfalls assiduously destroy them; and young men harden themselves in this labour, and exercise themselves in this kind of chase; and those who have killed a great number - the horns being publicly exhibited in evidence of the fact - obtain great honour. The horns, in amplitude, shape and species, differ much from the horns of our oxen. They are much sought after; and after having been edged with silver at their mouths they are used for drinking vessels at great feasts."
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Thanks, Vernon...
It was worth the read to imagine those mouths of silver at the great feasts.
Best regards,
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Dear MaxQ: I enjoyed the link, thank you. I wonder what the aurochs could find to graze on in the deep forests of ancient Germany. And it wasn't clear whether the aurochs were being killed for food, or because they were so dangerous. I wonder when sport first began. Of course it could have been a rite de passage before it degenerated into sport.
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