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11/25/2001 10:19 PM
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Here's a purely wordistic post...ta daaaa! While looking up mycterisms (I didn't find it), I encountered this strange and intriguing variation: mycetophagous adj [Gk myket-, mykes + E -phagous] : feeding on fungi (both Greek "e's" take a long accent which I couldn't find on the Ramsch table) mycophagous adj : feeding on fungi Why the two forms for such an obscure, rarely-used word? The word for "one who eats fungi" (as mushrooms) is mycophagist, a label with which I gladly garnish myself! Of course, our AWAD expert in mycophagy is consuelo, if I remember correctly...many posted mushroom-hunting yarns. 
Okay, all you linguaphilic mushroom lovers! On your mark...get set...go!
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#48710
11/25/2001 10:32 PM
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I only hunt in the spring. I have no morels in the winter. 
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11/25/2001 10:51 PM
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mycterismus...When you were looking for mycterisms, were you looking for mycterismus-related words? If so, there's a link Faldage provided in his first post on the irony thread. Go there, click on irony, and there's a list of about five different ironic forms. Mycterismus is one of them. If not--never mind.
More to the point, is this a food thread?
Consuelo, are you amorel?
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11/25/2001 11:12 PM
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Dear WO'N: from your post above, it looks like a typo defeated your search. The antepenultimate letter is a "u". Notice how WW spelled it. As for why two words, my guess would be two different mycologists coining a word for the same thing. I used to assist a mycologist, but no longer have the access to his knowledge.
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11/26/2001 10:28 AM
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I have no morels in the winter.
Consuela, I would love to come and stay with you for the winter, but it sounds as though you don't have much room for me.
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11/26/2001 12:25 PM
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Consuela, I would love to come and stay with you for the winter , but it sounds as though you don't have much room for me.No, I think she keeps it all to herself. 
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#48715
11/26/2001 12:42 PM
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two different mycologists coining a word for the same thing. The "e" is part of the word root, so mycetophagous is the correct derivation - but then you should also say mycetologist - unless you prefer brevity to pedantic correctness .
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11/26/2001 1:39 PM
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re: WO'N states, "one who eats fungi" (as mushrooms) is mycophagist, a label with which I gladly garnish myself!
I don't much each mushrooms. they were never on the menu when i was a child, since in ireland, mushrooms are considered "fairy food" and to harvest them would rob the fairy's of their sustenence. mushrooms were only eaten in times of total famine.
as an adult, i have come to eat mushrooms, especially ones in oriental cooking.. but not to make this a food thread..
are there any others who have superstitions about mushrooms?
like what you can and can not do inside a fairy circle? i am presuming we all know about, even if we haven't seen a fairy circle. i had one in my yard when my kids were young, but it has died out now.
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11/26/2001 1:50 PM
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Well, no, Helen, I don't rightly know what a fairy circle is. I never even heard of one till I read it somewhere as an adult. If my parents ever had much in the way of imagination, I think they each had it forced out of them by their childhood circumstances, and as a result, my childhood may have been a bit "drier" than some others'. So, kindly enlighten me, if you would.
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11/26/2001 2:43 PM
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Myth Alert
It is said : when Shannon airport was being constructed workers discovered a fairy ring of stones and refused to move it or tear it apart ... after much negotiation the site of the landing strip was adjusted to bypass the fairy ring leaving it intact.
Helen: more on what not to do in fairy rings, please, by PM or Email ??
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#48719
11/26/2001 3:09 PM
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Fairy rings are cause by growth of microscopic fungi in soil. Where the colony starts, it uses up the nutrients, and spreads in a circle, the inside of which has a narrow band of luxurient growth of grass caused by nitrogenous nutrients released by death of fungus in that area. Or so my mycologist friend told me.
So they are seen only on lawns low in nutrients.
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#48720
11/26/2001 3:48 PM
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Fairy rings were believed to be sacred by Medieval Europeans, who believed that fairies sat on the mushrooms to rest when they were tired from dancing at night. Particularly if they hadn't an 'ome to go to.
It seems that Marasmius oreades is the main fungus that forms these rings, but there are quite a large number of other fungi which can produce this effect.
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11/26/2001 3:54 PM
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The "e" is part of the word root, so mycetophagous is the correct derivation
So if you eat portobello mushrooms you are a mycetophage, but if you eat portobella, portabella or portabello mushrooms you are a mycophage?
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#48722
11/26/2001 4:07 PM
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Is this crossthreading to "mushroom management"?
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11/26/2001 4:18 PM
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Consuelo: I only hunt in the spring. I have no morels in the winter.
Which prompted an old hand to ask: Consuelo, are you amorel?
Not so, old hand. Consuelo is a wood nymph whose spore-t is amore.
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11/26/2001 8:53 PM
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I identify with mushrooms. I, too, am kept in the dark and fed manure ... Are the field mushrooms that we pick in early summer a different variety to the ones that are cultivated in dark places by people who enjoy inflicting offensive smells upon their neighbours?. Field mushrooms have always tasted ... well, tastier.
The idiot also known as Capfka ...
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11/26/2001 9:10 PM
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well there have been several very good explaination of fairy rings.. we had one because we cut down a rotten old apple tree, but didn't dig out the roots.
a ring forms as the roots rot. it starts close to the trunk, and as it expands, it naturally form a ring..getting bigger(the ring) each year, as the mushrooms get smaller.. fruiting bodies would appear every spring, or after a heavy summer rain.
in side a fairy ring, you can incant a verse, and it will make a wart disappear, or make a wish, and its sure to come true, just as a lie is sure be found out. (needless to say this is last one is very useful to a mother, since our fairy ring took up half the yard!)
and yes i do have poor soil. i live on top of hill, half of which has been carted away-- on the edge of old sand mine. even with years of composting, the soil is still mostly sand.
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#48726
11/26/2001 9:20 PM
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I said it before, but it is worth repeating. More than a few quite knowledgeable mushroom enthusiasts have been fatally poisoned. My friend the mycologist said he would be content to limit himself to the commercially available ones Here is a URL to a site about false morels, which vary greatly in the amount of poison in them so that they may be eaten without any symptoms, but for unknown reasons at other times may cause fatal poisoning. http://nt2.advant.com/kuocgi2/morels/introduction.html
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#48727
11/27/2001 3:26 AM
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Ah, but Dr. Bill, I can think of many worse ways to go. I'm very picky about my morels. AND Jackie's right, I keep them to myself [stingy-e].
BTW I caution anyone who has not been trained since childhood to take extreme care and have an experienced shrooner look over what they pick before eating. The number one cardinal rule is "If in doubt, throw it out."
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11/27/2001 6:18 PM
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Alas, I have the same problem, Helen, here in Saudi Aurora, just east of Denver. In fact, I was arrested and fined once because of my compost heap. For some reason, peppermint grows like a weed here, in fact it is so classified by our zoning people. Thee darned stuff got into my compost pile, and the neighbors complaied. As Keiva and the other attorneys here will tell you, the doctrine of non compost mintis is not to be messed with.
Not a word of truth in the foregoing, of course, but I can never resist the opportunity to let off a good one, so to speak.
This though, is true. Some years ago the wind broke the gate on my back-yard fence, allowing my two chow dogs to escape. Because of their mains, they were called Signon the Dotty Lion and Tearon the Dotty Lion. Anyway, I was cited for having dogs running loose, a citation that required a court appearance.
The judge asked me how I plead, and I said, "Laches."
He looked at me blankly. "Laches?"
"Yes, your honor, the laches of de fense were broken."
There was a long silence, punctuated by a snicker or two from the attorneys in the courtroom. Finally, the judge smiled and said, "Mr. Remington, anyone who can make a great pun like that is free to leave my courtroom NOW. Case dismissed. And come have a cup of coffee with me when you can so I can tell you a couple of my own."
He later told me that he was very close to citing me for contempt of court, but his conscience wouldn't let him. We're still friends.
Whatever happened to Father Steve, by the way?
TEd
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#48729
11/27/2001 6:44 PM
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As Consuelo used the heading "Fun Guys" for her post,
many worse ways to go.
I'm very picky
I keep them to myself
I would ask clarification of precisely which sort of "fun-gi" was being referenced?
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11/27/2001 6:50 PM
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There's more than one way to have fun in the woods.
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11/28/2001 1:11 AM
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Hi, Ted--sorry, didn't get the Laches ref.
Father Steve is still on his honeymoon, due back next week, I believe. You-all be careful, in all that snow, now. [jealous e]
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#48732
11/28/2001 5:32 AM
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Excellent Ted
Jackie - I had to look it up too - apologies for stealing your thunder Ted....
"negligence in the observance of duty or opportunity; specifically : undue delay in asserting a legal right or privilege
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#48733
11/28/2001 6:03 AM
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I would ask clarification of precisely which sort of "fun-gi" was being referenced?Why, the humongous fungus among us...naturally!
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11/28/2001 3:50 PM
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Which leads to a a pleading which is sometimes referred to as a defense of laches. In other words, because YOU delayed in making a claim, I am pleading the defense of laches, that is, too much time has expired and the lapse of time has been prejudicial to my ability to respond or to defend myself.
In effect, these are codified as statutes of limitations, but laches is itself (again if I recall correctly) a defense at common law as opposed to statute law.
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11/28/2001 4:25 PM
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One of the nasty ways laches applies to is neighbor being able to claim right of way through your property because he had been doing it for a long time before you took action to stop him.
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11/28/2001 7:55 PM
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not quite, sirs. The distinction goes back to the days of separate courts of law and courts of equity.
Statute of limitations is a "legal" doctrine. The statue will set a very specific time period, after which the claim is barred. (As a practical matter, the only arguable issue is the precise date on which that time period begins to run.)
Laches is an equitable doctrine. There is no fixed time period; it will depend on the circumstances. (e.g., does any prejudice result from the lapse of time?) However, (and this is the big point), a successful defense of laches bars only equitable relief, such as an order that the defendant take, or refrain from, specific action. It does not bar a claim for monetary damages.
For example, if my neighbor establishes a laches defense to my claim that he has built his home over the lot-line (encroaching onto my land), then the court will not order him to remove the home -- but may still award me damages for the encroachment committed.
and dr. bill, I doubt you would think of this as a "nasty" result. The right-of-way point you mention (which can arise even with no prejudice-from delay), is a subset of "statute foof limitations", called adverse possession -- but it typically requires a 40-year period of uncontested, continuous use, open and notorious to the world.
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11/28/2001 8:42 PM
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"statute foof limitations"
foof
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to whine like a wounded dog?? [Grandiloquent Dictionary]
Fraternal Order of Odd Fellows?!
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11/28/2001 8:52 PM
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Since we all make typos, it seems bad form to make fun of them.
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11/28/2001 9:00 PM
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bill, you're right, of course; but since the obviousness of the typo didn't strike me at first I actually OneLooked foof (thinking it might be some abstruse legalese term) and didn't want to waste the effort.
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11/28/2001 10:59 PM
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I have made so many typos I felt very vulnerable.There wouldn't be room for any word posts.
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11/29/2001 12:30 AM
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I think I said pretty much the same thing. Just took you more words  Or don't courts of equity have anything to do with common law?
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11/29/2001 4:11 PM
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I think I said pretty much the same thing.
You were pretty much accurate but didn't make the further detail that somewhat addresses what dr. bill perceived as potential unfairness.
Laches has a dferent scope, and a different effect, than a statute of limitations. As to scope: The test for whether "laches" applies is less specific than the cut-and-dried formula of a statue of limitations. BUT the effect of any laches is more limited: if a claimant was so dilatory as to be barred by laches he is barred only from seeking equitable relief, such as an injunction. He may still seek monetary damages for whatever injury he claims.
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11/30/2001 6:05 PM
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40 years? Wow, Keiva, Illinois law imposes a loooong period. In contrast, you can adversely possess land in Michigan in 15 years.
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12/01/2001 9:43 AM
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The genitive of mykês could be either mykêtês or mykou, so both roots myceto- and myco- are correct.
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12/01/2001 2:04 PM
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And myces is related to laches precisely how, NW? . I guess it must be a defense in which you claim you could not contest the misuse of your possessions because you were stoned on magic mushrooms the whole time ... Is this a legitimate defense or an illegal abuse, then?
The idiot also known as Capfka ...
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12/01/2001 6:51 PM
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and watch out in NYC! every year, Rockefeller center closes its private streets--or they become established as public walkways..
If you have ever been to see the christmas tree at Rock' center, it is on a private street. it gets closed to vehicles for the season, and one day, each year, it gets closed entirely! otherwise it become a public street.
(but places that aren't paved, and open to the public, say shortcuts, or trails take longer.. close to 15 years...)
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12/02/2001 2:47 AM
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The genitive of mykês could be either mykêtês or mykou, so both roots myceto- and myco- are correct. Thanks for the answer to my inquiry, NicholasW! First time I ever saw anyone trump tsuwm, though!
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12/02/2001 6:38 AM
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>trumping
...and here I thought this was a no-trump auction.
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