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but on BB's and in chat rooms, the idea is dialog.. everyone is both reader and writer... when you wear both hats, short hand works for both..
but in the beginning.. it is a "secret code" and it requires newbies to work at learning the language of the medium.
didn't we discuss this some months ago, relating to an article about prescriptive and descriptive dictionaries?
i know several versions of english-- one i worked hard at-- with no spell check or grammar check on my old computer.. while i was in college.. an other english i speak- and while i pride myself on almost never using um, er, you know, like.. i also have words i use for effect.. I frequently use ain't in spoken language.. but i never use it in written language, not even here.. on the internet, where there are different rules..
internet language dislikes ALL CAPS! and even cap's on proper nouns.. I don't correct people who call me of Troy-- but i am of troy.. and tsuwm.. is just that, not Tsuwm..
we use very few of the C U! or kma! or other shorthand, and when we do, it almost alway has some sort of background..
SWMBO- for example..
too much short hand make the board hard for new comers. this board has some rather exceptional members, and exceptional rules.. we don't have to change them. but if we are interested in language, we should know what going on with english.. here, there, and cyberwhere!
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ofTroy: Interesting comment of yours about the capital letters issue. I try to be careful here about tsuwm, ofTroy (although I don't put the space in), and wwh, but old habits are hard to break, and I do make a point of capitalizing when I think it's required by my background. I didn't realize, till reading your post, that capital letters were generally outré. I don't think I can make the change unless I learn that capital letters are maddening to readers here.
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The New Yorker used to have (and may still have) a page called "In love with sound of own voice". I think the shorthand writers are arrogant to expect readers to study their crap.
It is just too damned easy to write clear text now there is no goddamned excuse for shorthand. If I can learn to type touch, anybody can.
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re: If I can learn to type touch, anybody can.
dr bill, one of the wonders, and joys of the internet-- is accessability! yes, money is a factor.. but where else can i have ongoing conversations with kiwi's, and ozzies, and canadains, and even you! what would it have take? how many degrees of seperation between a middle class, middle aged, mid level technical worker in NY, and a retired, elderly somewhat housebound doctor in CA?
the biggest barrier that the internet has broken has been for the any one who is handicapped.. the internet is a handicapped free zone.
i am glad you can touch type, and gladder still i can.. but i work every day with amputees, blind, and other physically impared users.. and many times, i am ignorant of their handicap until i come to their desk..
good old fashioned fast touch typing requires 2 good hands.
now days, it is so much easier to get to know people, their likes their dislikes, their taste in reading..their education and social level-- with out every meeting them.. and when i do meet them.. i find my preconcieved notions about race, or physical appearence are often just that[my preconcieved notions! i associate their quickness of mind with a quickness of body, and boy oh boy have i been wrong! I love getting to know people this way.. i hate that i have preconcieved notions.. and i hate it even more that i let my notions get in the way of my learning about people. i hate that i sometimes focus on some minor handicap, and miss the person. (and i don't think i am alone in this failing.. )
Not everyone can learn to touch type.
the internet is open to all comers.. even the ones minus fingers and toes, or the muscles used to operate them. and if once in a while short hand creeps in.. so be it. i can learn to accommadate myself!
now there is no goddamned excuse for shorthand? sorry but i can't agree!
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The percentage of "digitally challenged" people in some sites I have visited seems to be surprisingly high. AWADtalk included. I still say majority of shorthand users are unpleasant egotists.
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I didn't realize, till reading your post, that capital letters were generally outré. I don't think I can make the change unless I learn that capital letters are maddening to readers here.
walla-walla - just to clear up a possible misconception, what ot refers to here is the practice, common to newbies, of using the Caps Lock key AND RENDERING THEIR POST IN ALL CAPS, WHICH IS CONSIDERED (BY THOSE SAME FOLKS WHO LIKE TO USE TLAs) TO BE SHOUTING!
I guess the convention of using caps for shorthand words (for which there seems to be no goddamned excuse ;) arose from a perceived need to easily distinguish those TLAs from real words. of course, some of them deserve to be hastened along the road to reality; e.g., yart and (some would claim) ayleur.
[aside to musick - the preferred expansion of YART is 'yet another rehashed topic', a fine yet valid distinction]
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In Western Union Telegrams, Only capital letters were used. Same in Amateur Radio. Morse Code simply gave no choice, it would have made learning code too difficult. I suspect some early internet users were influenced by that.
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tsuwm - I stand corrected... realizing that if a whole thread were rehashed what sort odds would be *broken (or would that be *attained). ... and agree completely that when I read caps my internal voice GETS LOUDER. However, I'm missing the words behind TLA... so, in the interest of saving ME time  , I request that the next user spill it out... ROTF
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TooLazyAcronyms? heh, heh, Aenigma said tooled
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Thanks, tsuwm, for clarifying the issue to old Walla Walla who sometimes wallow wallows through muddy cyber waters.
Boola Boola,
WW
PS: of Troy, you're correct about all kinds of people meeting on the Internet. I, in fact, am the Queen of Sheba. There! I've gone and done it! Blown my anonymity!
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