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11/25/2001 2:54 AM
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And every morning the brewer hops out of bed!
Which reminds me of another term for intoxification, all hopped-up.
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#47359
11/25/2001 8:33 AM
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And, if hopped up, you're juiced-up, and, if too juiced up, you're messed up.
The morning after? Hangover. We could recall terms for that as a tangent along with accompanying terms such as the French bois à la gorge...
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#47360
11/25/2001 9:12 AM
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Talkin' straight off the top o' me head (or hypothesising, as I would say in my professional capacity) these two words are just transliterations of a particular English regional dialect "yill" being "ale" - especially if there is an elision with a precending word (e.g., "the ale - -" might well come put as "th' yill --") and "caup" for cup.
(Later edit) "yill" would almost certainly be prounounced, "yeal"
Where abouts it would come from, I'm not sure - could be Geordie, at a guess. (i.e., Newcastle-on-Tyne, North-East England - strong Scottish influence on speech and culture.)
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#47361
11/25/2001 6:02 PM
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GallantTed, I loved Mr. Heaney's poems. Concise, yet telling. I, too, trailed around the farm yapping uselessly; but I've never quite figured out what use I have become instead, as he did. Thank you for posting them.
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#47362
11/25/2001 8:04 PM
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Perhaps some board member would like to know the pronunciation, of "Uisce beatha" which I had to look up
Several sites gave it as "ish keh baha".
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#47363
11/27/2001 10:51 PM
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I was feeling bemused, so I looked it up to understand better how I was feeling. Surprise, surprise! One of the definitions from some lexicon in Lexiconland had a definition of bemused as being intoxicated.
This one I like.
Bemused, but not bemused, you figure out which,
WordWoozy
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#47364
11/28/2001 1:40 AM
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I've just read several of your posts tonight, Wordwind, and if I didn't know better, I might say that you seem to have alcohol on the brain...(oh, ha ha, laughing at my own joke; bad, Jackie, bad!) 
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#47365
11/28/2001 9:31 AM
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Sober as a judge, Jackie. I'd say many of us have had alcohol on the brain. And what's curious, from reading these various posts, several have admitted to drinking not at all or rarely, yet the fuzzle and fuzzled threads keep on kicking. The terms amuse me, bemuse me at times, but I, too, rarely tip the cup, although the words for doing it one time too many are fun to consider.
Samuel Johnson once defended street people who had been criticized for their drinking habits. I wish I could quote him (where's a Boswell when you need him?), but essentially Johnson was saying that these people had such misery in their lives, why take away their often chosen source of comfort.
Heh, Jackie, you and I have taken a few tips at the word keg a few weeks ago. That was enjoyable. Hic*.
Barrel regards,
WW (still licking my wounds over having been pffffft'd)
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11/28/2001 5:52 PM
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(still licking my wounds over having been pffffft'd) There, there, Dear--I always admire a gracious loser! [scampering hastily out of reach e]
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12/06/2001 11:39 PM
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Something else from M. Byrne, who is now staggering over the boards:
"zythum n. -- beer in ancient Egypt."
Did they make in out of papyrus?
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12/07/2001 1:12 PM
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Hopped-up / juiced-up / souped-up: In the late 40's and early 50's these were popular terms for modifying an internal combustion engine to add horsepower. "Hop-Up" was actually® a 'gear head' magazine that mergered with/into "Motor Life". Let me know if you'd like an original copy... 
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12/07/2001 6:48 PM
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...... beer in ancient Egypt." Did they make in out of papyrus?
No, out of the noble grain barley.
barley is generally considered an inferior grain to wheat, but it will tolerate colder, damper, and saltier soils than wheat, so it is the crop of choice for poor lands.
barley's was considered inferior, because it is not as nutritious, it lacks gluten,(a protein found in wheat) so bread does not form up as the same. still there are some of us who like barley cakes..
but barley is superior for making beer or alcohol. any grain can be malted, but barley malt has the highest sugar content, (and potential the highest alcohol).
and while i haven't yet become a lush, i can't say drinking is something i am unfamiliar with... but i don't much like beer, so i'll leave to the beer drinkers to discuss the merits of the various grains used to make beer.
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#47370
12/07/2001 9:22 PM
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It may be rice beer to you, but it's saki to me. I suspect zythum wasn't made from rice though.
TEd
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12/07/2001 10:08 PM
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I was facetious about papyrus, but here's a link that supports of Troy in the barley guess: http://www.hmc.org.qa/hmc/heartviews/issue9/ALCOHOL.htmOn this web page there's a mention of cabbage juice as having been a cure for a hangover. Cabbages in Eygypt? Liver and learn. Beer regards (I hate the stuff), WW
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12/08/2001 9:02 PM
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The server is bogged down in Zythumium.
Here's a consequence of too much too many times from a word-contsuwmed being's lexicon:
ebriection
mental breakdown from too much boozing
Back to my research paper--wish the server weren't slow as a hippo trying to do a standing broad jump today.
WW
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01/12/2002 5:18 PM
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Iwas doing some reading about the Tarahumara (Rarămuri) Indians of the Mexican Sierra Madre and ran across this explanation for intoxication. It works for me! When a person drinks the alcohol, in this case the corn beer,(it) goes to their stomach which is the area where the largest souls in the body live. And the souls don't like the smell of the beer so they leave. And that means that the only souls that are left inside the body, taking care of the body but also, um, controlling the body, are the smaller souls which are like small children. And so people say that is why when people drink they act like small children. -William Merrill, Smithsonian InstitutionI am assuming that this was part of an interview. I did a small amount of editing for clarity. Here is the link if anyone would like to read more. http://www.powernet.net/~jackkelly/tarahumra/raramuri.html
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01/12/2002 5:59 PM
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Just one more quote from the site.
: Most importantly, the Tarahumara believe tesgüino is a divine gift. It must be consumed in order to praise God, to compensate for the moral shortcomings of others, and to ensure existence itself.
It was also stated that God gave the Rarămuri beer as a consolation prize because God lost a bet with the devil and that is why the white men are rich and the Rarămuri are poor.
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