As your reason for starting this thread was...

...separate the discussion of the general priniciples from discussion of the specific...

... let's talk about the words you are using to "make your point" in this regard.

appropriate standards - I don't trust the vast majority of society's ability to make this assesment. However, the members of this board, who *clearly do not represent any vast majority, do a fine job of doing that which they/we are here for... whatever that is.

...higher standards and expectations... The standards *here are quite high in comparison to that supposed vast majority you speak of, and it is precisely expectations that will begin to (and has in the past) erode this *quality.

Keiva, I, personally "take offense" to the sensationalizing you have done by adjoining this relatively insignificant issue (and don't take that personally) with attrocities like the holocoust of WW2 or the genocide in Rawanda which suggest a course of action that doesn't even come close to anyone's definition of "kindly".

...and our English speaking folks from the other side of the pond (from what I've heard) would artfully® much rather "rant" with us (from my understanding of their understanding of "rant")... but, maybe not!

unruly table- The specific restaurant to which you refer here does make a difference, and goes toward my real reson for answering to this *gratuitous thread... ...although I understand the intent, and intend this often myself, IMHO it is *useless (and don't take that personally, either) to talk about general principles without referring to politics or religon or some other specific form of "solicitation" (sooner or later).

Please don't infringe upon my "pursuit of happiness".

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