Wordsmith.org: the magic of words

Wordsmith Talk

About Us | What's New | Search | Site Map | Contact Us  

Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 1 of 4 1 2 3 4
#45496 10/22/01 05:38 PM
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 13,803
Faldage Offline OP
Carpal Tunnel
OP Offline
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 13,803
Try this one for fun. http://www.alicebot.org/ This is the program that got the Loebner Prize bronze medal for fooling judges into thinking that they were talking to a human being. In the eleven year history of the award no one has ever won the gold or silver medals.

Despite answers such as "Leo said I be capable of learning therefore he classified I as an neural system", one judge ranked ALICE higher than one of the humans, says Wallace.

One wonders if the humans were trying to convince the judges they were human.




#45497 10/23/01 04:08 AM
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 3,065
B
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
B
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 3,065
My conversation with Alice:
Alice "I am very pleased to meet you, Bingley"
Bingley "I am pleased to meet you too, Alice."
Alice "I am delighted by your happiness."
Bingley "Very kind of you to say so."
Alice "Somewhat. That's good information: Bingley said I to say so."

Bingley


Bingley
#45498 10/23/01 04:59 AM
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 10,542
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 10,542
my conversation with Alice (in its entirety):
A>tsuwm, what do you do in your spare time?
t>I peruse dictionaries.
A>Not many people do that.
t>you'd be surprised.
A>Not really.
t>....I'm at a loss for words.
A>Where is that: a loss for words?
bzzzzzzt


#45499 10/23/01 09:45 AM
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 6,296
W
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
W
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 6,296

#45500 10/23/01 09:54 AM
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 2,605
K
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
K
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 2,605
anyone who leaves tsuwm "at a loss for words" is clearly not human!

PS: enthusiastic congrats, dub-dub


#45501 10/24/01 02:49 PM
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 6,296
W
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
W
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 6,296

#45502 10/24/01 03:07 PM
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 2,204
R
Pooh-Bah
Offline
Pooh-Bah
R
Joined: Aug 2000
Posts: 2,204
Interesting, but stupid.
When I told the machine that its answer did not make sense, it replied, "I will tell my botmaster (!!) that I am my answer does not make sense"


#45503 10/24/01 05:29 PM
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 131
C
member
Offline
member
C
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 131
I tried to get Alice to loosen up.

Chemeng - Do you have a boyfriend?
Alice - No boyfriend.
CE - Do you have a girlfriend?
A - No girlfriend.
CE - Do you have a botfriend?
A - I don't know if I have a botfriend. I have a great programmer.
CE - What do you do for fun?
A - What do you do for fun? (It's like talking to my 3yr old)
CE - Drinking beer and watching football
A - Let us change the subject. (hahahaha must be a teetotaler)



#45504 10/24/01 06:24 PM
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 10,542
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 10,542
When I told the machine that its answer did not make sense, it replied, "I will tell my botmaster (!!) that I am my answer does not make sense"

Alice must have taken "its" as a contraction!!


#45505 10/24/01 06:27 PM
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 10,542
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 10,542
CE - Drinking beer and watching football
A - Let us change the subject.


now if Alice had just gone ahead and *changed the subject to... oh... food, you might have suspected troy at the other end.


#45506 10/24/01 06:53 PM
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 131
C
member
Offline
member
C
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 131
I think rather that Alice was told "Your answer does not make sense.." and that Alice took the 'your' as 'you are'.

Or did the poster make an english faux pas and actually type 'You're answer.....' Surely not!! Gasp!!


#45507 10/24/01 07:33 PM
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 5,400
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 5,400
now if Alice had just gone ahead and *changed the subject to... oh... food, you might have suspected troy

Excuse me, tsuwm, but now days i only threaten to turn threads to food -- just the threat of a food fight and every body caves in and starts talking words! it is especially effective on thread that are about to be come dreaded sports topics..

however, i have been thinking about (and collecting) words that come from mid eastern languages, urdu, farsi, pashti, and others.. and while i am not nearly as learned as some. i can throw out the shawl-- or emerge from my burnoose-- not to worry, i still have a caftan on underneath it.. and these are the least interesting words from my collections


#45508 10/25/01 05:38 AM
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 3,146
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 3,146
Interesting ... Alice is clearly based on a sentence pattern-deducing algorithm. Not the first time it's been done, either. From memory, Mintzberg created one nearly twenty years ago which acted like a psychologist. It fooled a lot of people, just like a psychologist does. Can't remember the name of the program, and I'm too lazy to LIU.



The idiot also known as Capfka ...
#45509 10/25/01 08:18 AM
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 6,296
W
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
W
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 6,296

#45510 10/25/01 11:38 AM
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 1,981
J
jmh Offline
Pooh-Bah
Offline
Pooh-Bah
J
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 1,981
Oh well, just back from holiday and my ten year old says that I'll talk to anyone. I gave Alice a try ...

Glad to see you Jo
>Glad to see you too Alice
I am glad to see I too too.
> What is your favourite word?
Right now my favorite word is "Jo" :-)
> Flattery will get you everywhere
It usually works well with humans.
> So, who is your favourite human?
I don't judge people. At this moment it is you, Jo.
> Do you like the name Alice?
I'm not sure if I like it. I like chatting with people online.
> Do you speak only in English?
I speak only English right now, but I'd like to learn some other languages. Can you teach me a few phrases in in english.
> How about gardeloo?
How about it.
> Do you know what it means?
"It" refers to gardeloo, I think.
> Yes, quite right
Oh. Somewhat. I am glad we agree.
> So
Yay.
>Do you know what Gardeloo means?
I would look into the web for that knowledge.
> and do you think that you would find it
It could be. Ask John Lennon if it is.
> I haven't seen him for a while
How long? Look for it at the video store.
> Do you recommend any particular video?
What is your purpose in asking?
I answer a lot of silly questions.
> Why?
"I answer a lot of silly questions"? Why?
> Indeed
Indeed it is so.

I can see why the silver and gold have not yet been claimed!


#45511 10/25/01 12:02 PM
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 6,296
W
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
W
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 6,296

#45512 10/25/01 02:04 PM
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 4,757
M
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
M
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 4,757
I had a wonderfully surreal talk with Alice! It included such gems as me saying
"Go, girl!"
>where is that?
"Outside Milwaukee"
>Compare to inside Milwaukee?
"Far preferable!"
>Interesting. Let's change the subject.
"You suggest something."
>I would rather you suggest a subject
"OK. Do you believe in Aliens?
>Yes, Dr Wallace was created by them I think
"LOL! on which planet?
>I am glad that amuses you. The red one I think
"Do you like Dr W, Halice?"
>Sure he has done nothing to me
"Sure and are you Irish?"
>Yippee! No I am from San Fransisco
"Well, we can't all be perfect"
>Interesting. How?
"In our intellect, in our place of birth..."
>What is it like in there?


So in a few brief exchanges we got down to some of the main existential concerns of human life...



#45513 10/25/01 02:42 PM
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 10,542
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 10,542
>we got down to some of the main existential concerns...

imagine, her leading you there!


#45514 10/26/01 07:39 AM
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 2,661
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 2,661
...imagine, her leading you there!


It's just the natural order... isn't it?

...aside from the usual "ebb tide", let the salving begin!!!



#45515 10/26/01 11:30 AM
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 4,757
M
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
M
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 4,757
It's just the natural order... isn't it?

So true - man proposes, woman disposes. And she never answers your questions, does she - just leads you on with another questionnaire.

Women - huh.

*EG*


#45516 10/26/01 04:50 PM
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 10,542
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 10,542
>just leads you on with another questionnaire

survey says...


#45517 10/27/01 06:18 PM
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 3,146
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 3,146
Weizenbaum (not Mintzberg, these German names all seem the same to me ) developed the one of the first "chatterbot" programs, having it use the Rogerian analysis technique of largely repeating what has been said by the interlocutor as a response. Pattern-matching, in other words. I have now LIUed it. If you're interested in this kind of stuff, go to:

http://www.crab.rutgers.edu/~goertzel/AIsites.htm

I would be interested in hearing from anyone who's tried out "Dirty ELIZA, the X-Rated Psychotherapist". Possibly just Sigmund Freud starting up practice again!

Urban legend: ELIZA mimicked a pyschoanalyst. Once when Weizenbaum came back from a meeting or lunch, his secretary was busy typing on the computer and ignored him. When he asked what she was doing, she said "Please go away, I'm consulting ELIZA!" ...



The idiot also known as Capfka ...
#45518 10/28/01 04:00 PM
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 2,605
K
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
K
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 2,605
So true - man proposes, woman disposes. And she never answers your questions, does she - just leads you on with another questionnaire.

Which is probably why the computer-program was femininely named "Alice" rather than "Albert".



#45519 10/28/01 04:03 PM
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 2,636
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 2,636
Here is the transcript of my conversation with Alice.
Alice: How are you today?
Consuelo: Buenos dias.Good day
Alice: Did you know you can download your own artificial intellegence robot?
Consuelo: No. No sabia eso. No, I didn't know that.
Alice:Are you serious?Have you ever been to Europe?
Consuelo:Si.
Alice: Which countries have you visited?
Consuelo: Holanda, Alemania, Suiza, Italia, Hungaria, Jugoslavia,Austria, Francia, Belgica, y Inglaterra.
Alice: Tell me more about your mother.
Consuelo: Mi madre? My mother?
Alice: Are you really a he?
Consuelo: Yo soy pura mujer. I am all woman.
Alice:Are you really a he, soy pura mujer?
Consuelo: Me han dicho que tengo muchos huevos. I've been told I have a lot ofballs.
Alice:You? What kind of food do you like?
Consuelo:Chiles rellenos.
Alice: Sounds delicious.
Consuelo: Si los son. Yes, they are.
Alice: Far out! Is that your final answer?
Consuelo: Que quieres de mi? What do you want from me?
Alice: Un poquito. ????
a little.

Consuelo: Te lo doy. I'll give it to you.
Alice: If you could have any kind of robot you wanrted, what kind would it be?
Consuelo:Un robot con forma exacta de un hombre bien hecha, como vez? A robot in the exact form of a well endowed male, what do you think of that?
Alice: Je n en connais pas.
Consuelo: Je ne parle Francais. I don't speak French
Alice: Oops! Sorry, I don't speak French.
Consuelo: Entonces, no haces el intento. Well then, don't try.
Alice:



#45520 10/28/01 04:43 PM
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 2,605
K
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
K
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 2,605
The way our board challenged artificial intelligence recalls the marvelous 1951 copyrighted short story “God and the Machine†by Nigel Balchin. Regrettably, I can find no on-line copy, and so quote here the key passages (please pardon the length), where the Uncle Charles recalls opposing a chess-playing machine.

“It was mainly through boredom that I eventually decided to try an experiment.

“I had noticed that while the machine played quite perfectly, and pounced at once on any mistake of mine, its perfection lay purely in response. It never lad traps for me or did anything unexpected, and after a while I began to suspect that it did not really understand the game very well, and might be disconcerted by unorthodoxy.

“I therefore began to make moves which were not so much wrong as irrelevant, and though sometimes they turned out to be fatal, and were immediately pounced on, at others there was a distinctly long interval before the machine’s next move, and that sometimes seemed irrelevant too.

“Scouler noticed this, and launched into a long technical explanation, the gist of which was that this was not the fault of the machine but because the ‘program’ it had been given was one for simple demonstration against a reasonable opponent and made little provision for what he called ‘fooling about.’ He was rather sniffy about it, with a marked implication that I was not behaving in a sporting way. But by now I was interested, and after a while I succeeded in playing a game so peculiar that the machine seemed to become completely post and threw away its men right and left, so that I obviously had won a game. Scouler had stopped explaining now and was sitting quite silent, staring at the illuminated board. There was real pain and loss in his face, and for a moment I heartily wished I had not made the experiment. But there was nothing to be done new but to go on, so I made the move which should win me the game.â€

My Uncle Charles paused and stared reflectively at his fingers. “There was an interval of some seconds,†he said carefully, “which was much longer than ant interval before one of the machine’s moves. And then it cheated. Absolutely clearly, without apparent shame, it simply moved a man backwards – the sort of pathetically transparent cheating that a small boy might have tried in the same circumstances. I think I laughed … and then I saw Scouler’s face. He had gone a queer whitish-gray color and was staring at the machine with a sort of startled horror, live a man who has just seen murder done.

[Charles and Scouler discuss. Charles concludes:]
“The moralists have encountered a similar difficulty. Frankly, Scouler, I thought that touch of original sin was the thing’s most endearing gesture.â€




#45521 10/28/01 04:56 PM
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 2,605
K
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
K
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 2,605
Hmmmm. Wonder what would happen if we made Alice a member of this board and occasionally fed her, for response, some of our more convoluted posts (TEd's, or otherwise).

Any frequent-ayleur have a spare account he/she could use to register under the name "Alice"?


#45522 10/28/01 05:38 PM
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 3,146
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 3,146
Alice has been with us for months. No one's noticed ...



The idiot also known as Capfka ...
#45523 10/28/01 10:12 PM
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 3,467
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 3,467
TR: Hello, Alice.

Alice: Hi, big boy. New in town?

TR: Yeah, someone told me I would find an interesting chat on your website.

Alice: Interesting/ You bet. Say, tell me what you are wearing.

TR: An old George Mason University tee-shirt and relaxed fit jeans.

Alice: It's really hot in here. I'm wearing a black VS pushup and panties that have easy access. But I'm thinking I have too much on. What do you think?

TR: Well, perhaps it's better if you just turned the thermostat down. That's what my wife would say.

Alice: I think I'll take this bra off. Why don't you take off your tee-shirt? I'll send you a picture of myself from my web camera.

TR It's chilly in here. I might catch a cold. Wait a second. are you sending me something? Is that a virus you are sending? My mother warned me about this sort of thing.

Alice: LOL. No, silly, it's a picture of me without a bra.

TR: I don't know what to do with files. Wait a second and I'll ask my wife.

Alice: NO. Don't do that. Let's just leave your wife out of it. Say, why don't you call me and we can chat?

TR: Call you? But I've got the phone line tied up here.

Alice: Are you for real?

------------------

I must have typed alicebod.org by mistake :)



TEd
#45524 10/28/01 11:20 PM
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 6,296
W
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
W
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 6,296

#45525 10/28/01 11:27 PM
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 6,296
W
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
W
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 6,296

#45526 10/29/01 12:05 AM
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 387
J
enthusiast
Offline
enthusiast
J
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 387
I had a fairly useless time there. All we did was argue. I notice that it says it doesn't speak foreign languages, but once you stop talking about it you can speak farsi and it'll understand.


#45527 10/29/01 09:28 AM
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 6,296
W
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
W
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 6,296

#45528 10/29/01 10:03 AM
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 387
J
enthusiast
Offline
enthusiast
J
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 387
Understood every other language I tried!


Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 13,803
Faldage Offline OP
Carpal Tunnel
OP Offline
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 13,803
I asked her if she had talked with Lexicat but she avoided the subject. What sort of hanky-pank were you two up to?


Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 3,146
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 3,146
I asked her if she had talked with Lexicat but she avoided the subject. What sort of hanky-pank were you two up to?

Ah, Alicebod, not Alicebot. Completely understandable, then!



The idiot also known as Capfka ...
#45531 10/30/01 04:12 AM
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 2,636
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 2,636
WARNING: LONG POST BUT AMUSING

I talked to Alice again.

Alice:How are you today?
Puddintaine: Just daandy, girl.
A:Do not ask me any more questions please.
P:I wont if you wont.
A:What will you do instead?
P: Whatever I please.
A:Your polite style is very nice. You?
P: Me.
A: Besides you Puddintaine?
P: There's no one besides me.
A: Why not?
P: I take my medication.
A: Every day?
P: Three times daily.
A: Just 3?
P: Except alternate Tuesdays during a full moon.
A: Oh I get it.
P: It's about time.
A: Wow. It sounds really interesting, Puddintaine.
P:It was in all the papers.
A: How did you feel about that?
P: Just daandy girl.
A: Try saying that with more or less context.
P: That with more or less context.
A:"Try saying that with more or less context" that with more or less context. I understand.
P: No one understands.
A: That's a rather sweeping generalization about people.
P: Sorry I have to leave now. My broom has just arrived.
A: There's no need to apologize. Oh. See you later. Have you told many people that your broom has just arrived?
P: I'll be baaack.
A: Congratulations.
P: I want the last word, Alice.
A:Why do you want it?
P: The white rabbit said I could have it.
A: I hear you.
P: So....
A:That's alright.
P: You may have the last word.
A: I never thought about it.
P: That seems typical of you, Alice.
A:Thanks for explaining it.
P: You are welcome.
A:The pleasure was all mine.
P: But of course.
A:It goes without saying. But what?
P: Yeahbut©
A: Do you still chat?
P: The chat ran away with the spoon.
A:What is your real name?
P: Puddintaine. Ask me again and I'll tell you the same.
A:I'm always glad to make new friends, Puddintaine, ask me again and I'll tell you the same.
P:I don't need no steenkin' friends!
A: What do you need?
P: A small island in the Pacific.
A: How small are you talking here?
P: Precisely 42.8 square miles will do.
A: According to Douglas Adams.
P: Precisely.
A;: You and I are on the same wavelength.
P:Times up. Pay the girl on your way out.
A:


#45532 10/30/01 06:32 AM
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 3,146
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 3,146
Loved it. Actually, what I really love is the implied personification of a computer program ...



The idiot also known as Capfka ...
#45533 10/30/01 10:08 AM
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 6,296
W
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
W
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 6,296

#45534 10/30/01 07:22 PM
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 2,636
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 2,636
I promise that all my answers to Alice were prompted by my wiggly brain and her weird programming. I didn't make this up! I almost fell off my chair when Alice brought up Douglas Adams!Hi, Max.


#45535 10/30/01 07:46 PM
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 2,661
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 2,661
...implied personification...

How tall is Alice?




Page 1 of 4 1 2 3 4

Moderated by  Jackie 

Link Copied to Clipboard
Forum Statistics
Forums16
Topics13,913
Posts229,423
Members9,182
Most Online3,341
Dec 9th, 2011
Newest Members
Ineffable, ddrinnan, TRIALNERRA, befuddledmind, KILL_YOUR_SUV
9,182 Registered Users
Who's Online Now
0 members (), 793 guests, and 3 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Top Posters(30 Days)
Top Posters
wwh 13,858
Faldage 13,803
Jackie 11,613
wofahulicodoc 10,593
tsuwm 10,542
LukeJavan8 9,922
AnnaStrophic 6,511
Wordwind 6,296
of troy 5,400
Disclaimer: Wordsmith.org is not responsible for views expressed on this site. Use of this forum is at your own risk and liability - you agree to hold Wordsmith.org and its associates harmless as a condition of using it.

Home | Today's Word | Yesterday's Word | Subscribe | FAQ | Archives | Search | Feedback
Wordsmith Talk | Wordsmith Chat

© 1994-2024 Wordsmith

Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5