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10/21/2001 10:59 PM
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Dub-dub, describe those dogs please. It's been suggested that the wild "breed" called the Carolina Yellow Dog may be very close to the early ancestral type, by reversion from domesticated dogs gone feral. Do the dogs you mention resemble those pictured and discussed in the Smithsonian article at http://smithsonianmag.si.edu/smithsonian/issues99/mar99/dogs.html?
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#45187
10/22/2001 1:39 AM
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Many thanks, Ken, for obtaining this most enlightening commentary.
I also question the rabbi's assertion that "rod and staff" are incorrect. Rod, maybe, but not staff. The mishan which he describes could certainly be translated as "staff", in the same sense as "quarterstaff" (the pole used for fights or sporting demonstrations). I think it is quite possible that the KJ translators had the first sense of "shevet" in mind and maybe they might have used the word "ensign", meaning battle standard (flag). You also have to remember that the original meaning of "comfort" was not, as now, "console" or something similar; it comes from cum forte = "with strength" and hence means "strengthen". So we might consider that "Thy rod and thy staff they comfort me" means, "Your standard and staff strengthen me" or, "Your ensign and your staff arm me", or, "Your banner and your staff are my defense."
Again, I can't thank you and the rabbi enough. I have been saying and hearing this Psalm all my life and this opens up new areas of meaning to ponder.
OK, everyone, you may now go to the dogs again.
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#45188
10/22/2001 2:01 AM
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Dear Keiva: I subscribe to Smithsonian Magazine, but missed that article, for which I thank you. But even that article does not mention their being domesticated. If they were, it would be extremely surprising that they were not found throughout America. I have read that the Indians in Northeast were terrified by the colonists' mastiffs. They must have acquired dogs soon after Europeans arrived though. They would have been very valuable for warning of approach of hostile Indians. I have never heard of the Indians using the dogs for hunting. I have heard of them being eaten by the Indians when food was scarce.Actually, I am surprised that small dogs like that would not have been wiped out by wolves. Maybe that was what limited them to the South.
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#45189
10/22/2001 5:13 AM
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I remember reading about a couple million NZ sheep being slaughtered and buried because there just too damned many of them.Urban myth, pure and simple.  We leave that kind of thing to the Brits, whose scientists can't tell the difference between sheep and cows ...
The idiot also known as Capfka ...
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10/22/2001 11:10 AM
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whose scientists can't tell the difference between sheep and cows ...yeahbut® There's a wonderful, funny yet serious word issue behind this. First a quick recap for anyone who has not followed the English Brainless Disease Part 253: 1. Scientists were set the task of checking whether  sheep's brains were carrying the same patterns of disturbance as found in cattle with BSE symptoms. 2. There is a test that checks for this with results avaialable in 1 week, but being Scientists this was far too easy and too sneakily like cheating, so they did the old-fashioned method that takes 4 years!3. Only now at the conclusion has it emerged that they have, er, somewhat compromised the results by testing brains of cattle and not of sheep. D'oh! 4. The resulting consumer scare will probably now finish off the entire sheep farming industry in the UK. Now, the delightful thing is this: Brit scientists, raised in the classical snobbery of not wanting to share their language with the plebs, tend to use the Latin terms. This is the context of a simple labelling error. Ovine to Bovine is one small step for idiotkind...
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#45191
10/22/2001 3:03 PM
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to byb: thanks  -- but 100% of the compliment goes to rav lipman. I merely forwarded your interesting inquiry. to dr. bill: Keiva's note to self: read the durn url before posting it. The url is a very short summary of the article, but you'll find more by clicking the sources the url lists. They show that these dogs are about the size of a lab (not small). The "feral" issue not what I'd recollected. The theory is that the Carolina Yellow Dog "breed" is not modern breeds gone feral, but is rather a direct descendant of the dogs brought by the earliest human to this continent; that is, of the peoples who crossed from Asia to North America over the Bering Sea land bridge. Related question to our Kiwis and Aussies: roughly when, according to the latest data, did the first (aboriginal) humans reach your respective islands?
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10/22/2001 10:31 PM
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10/23/2001 12:23 AM
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Dear Wordwind: About ten years ago, my wife saw about a dozen armed animal control officers (can't remember title) in Oakton VA surrounding carcass of rabid fox they had just shot. They can be beautiful, but they can also be troublesome.
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10/23/2001 12:38 AM
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"Now dr., let's fix that header!" he said, with dogged persistence. 
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#45195
10/23/2001 12:47 AM
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As we'd say in straya - Good onya mate!
Old Hand eh - only another 500 or so posts for stales.....
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#45196
10/23/2001 12:57 AM
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Dear Keiva: One fox does not a pack make.
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10/23/2001 1:03 AM
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10/23/2001 3:39 PM
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Dear Keiva: One fox does not a pack make.Dear dr. bill: We're agreed that your post titled "Packs of Dogs" was erroneous in the title's first word as well as in its last. But Flirt took great umbrage at the latter. BTW, no number of foxes constitutes a "pack"; the venereal term is, I believe, "a skulk of foxes". BTW#2: As a matter of grammar, should my last sentence have said "constitute" or "constitutes"?
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10/23/2001 3:44 PM
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Dear Keiva: I was just answering of post by WW who chose subject words.
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10/23/2001 5:02 PM
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10/23/2001 5:29 PM
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Dear Keiva: "number" is singular therefore "constitutes".
Dear WW: No way could you skulk, nor even lurk. Your input is sincerely desired and appreciated.
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#45202
10/23/2001 6:16 PM
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Just dropped in while waiting for a return phone call and read this thread with interest!
1. The info on rod, staff and comfort gives the passage whole new meaning! Thank you.
2. Re Border Collies and herding : they will indeed herd just about anything that moves ... which is why it is not a good idea to have that breed in a setting where - lacking kids or sheep to herd - they will try to herd the cars that drive by the house! It's a hard-wired trait and a lot of beautiful border collies get hit by cars because thoughtless owners do not provide fenced areas. /rant
3. In my newspapering days I often worked on stories with our county's state Fish and Game Department wardens. The problem of dogs running in packs became *huge in the 1980s as more and more people moved to New hampshire. These newcomers were used to letting their family pets run free. Invariably the dogs formed packs and there are many documented cases of packs of "family pets" running down and killing animals, some even as large as fullgrown deer. I know, I have seen at least five deer that were killed by dog packs. It was hard to convince relocated city-folk that the friendly family dog, greeting their owners on the porch with a wagging tail upon the owner's return from work, was the same dog that had joined other neigborhood dogs, to "run down" and kill a young deer that same day! Sometimes the wardens could prove a recent kill by showing owners the blood matted around a pet's mouth. Sad to say, some owners became fearful and put good dogs down. It was not the dogs' fault.
Dogs that must be left alone should have an enclosed area with *shelter and *water in un-tipable container handy.
It was not until Roman times that dogs began to be fed by owners. Before that - for thousands of years- they were let loose to find and kill their food!
In recent years "leash laws" have cut down on the packs but it remains a problem in some rural locations.
In my neighborhood many *responsible pet owners pay for a service where someone comes one or twice, every day, to walk the dogs.
Now to cheer you all up (additions invited) here's a little doggy humor: with one Cat at the end
HOW MANY DOGS DOES IT TAKE TO CHANGE A LIGHT BULB?
*Golden Retriever : The sun is shining, the day is young, we've got our whole lives ahead of us, and you're inside worrying about a stupid burned-out bulb?
*Border Collie : Just one. And then I'll replace any wiring that's not up to code.
*Dachshund : You know I can't reach that stupid lamp!
*Rottweiler : Make me.
*Labrador : Oh, me, me!!!! Pleeeeeeze let me change the light bulb! Can I? Can I? Huh? Huh? Huh? Can I?
*Malamute : Let the Border Collie do it. You can feed me while he's busy.
*Bichon : Why do you think I let you take in that Labrador?
*Jack Russell Terrier : I'll just pop it in while I'm bouncing off the walls and furniture..
*Cocker Spaniel : Why change it? I can still pee on the carpet in the dark.
*Doberman Pinscher : While it's dark, I'm going to sleep on the couch.
*Boxer : Who cares? I can still play with my squeaky toys in the dark.
*Mastiff : Mastiffs are NOT afraid of the dark.
*Chihuahua : Yo quiero Taco Bulb.
*Irish Wolfhound : Can somebody else do it? I've got this hangover.
*Pointer : I see it! There it is, there it is, right there.
*Greyhound : If it isn't moving, who cares?
*Australian Shepherd : First, I'll put all the light bulbs in a little circle...
*Old English Sheep Dog : Light bulb? I'm sorry, but I don't see a light bulb.
*Hound Dog : ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzz.
*Cat : Dogs do not change light bulbs. People change light bulbs. So the question is: "How long will it be before I can expect light?"
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#45203
10/23/2001 10:52 PM
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Thanks, Wow. Those were great.  I'm telling them to Jeff right now.
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10/24/2001 6:28 PM
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The golfers eat the grass? I always thought golfers were a bit odd, but I assumed they replaced the divots rather than ruminating them.
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