#45015
10/18/2001 6:55 PM
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She was listening to a John Ashcroft press conference today (they keep referring to him as General Ashcroft) and heard the following from out his very lips.
"That which has been raveled cannot be unraveled."
Even if ravel and unravel were opposites, it wouldn't make sense.
No trace of it in what I believe to be the official transcript of the press conference. The Bush Administration Language Abuse Protection Police seem to be on the job.
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#45016
10/18/2001 7:46 PM
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>he Bush Administration Language Abuse Protection Police
seem to be on the job.
Bo to jail. Bo Derekly to jail.
TEd
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#45017
10/19/2001 3:13 AM
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"That which has been raveled cannot be unraveled." General Ashcroft.
May the marvels of nature never become unmarveled.
May that which has been revealed to us never be unrevealed.
May the hopes of our loved ones never go unhoped, their dreams undreamed, or their blessings unblessed.
May we never forget what we have forgotten even when we are least unlikely to forget.
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#45018
10/19/2001 3:55 AM
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In reply to:
"That which has been raveled cannot be unraveled."
Even if ravel and unravel were opposites, it wouldn't make sense.
even if??
unravel v. 1. trans. To take out of a ravelled, tangled, or intertwined condition; to disentangle
<shrugs>
[yet another crossthread] actually®, *one of the senses of ravel is to unravel, yet another enantiodromic word!
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#45019
10/19/2001 10:28 AM
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Dear tsuwn, I love it when you say, "...yet another enantiodromic word !" But sometimes tsuwn, you frighten me. Does every word have it's own word to describe it?
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#45020
10/19/2001 11:01 AM
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now if he's said Ravel and unravel...
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#45021
10/19/2001 1:47 PM
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even if??
Even if.
My dictionary shows that as secondary or obsolete.
Gotta get me a hold of your dictionary, tsuwm.
And it still doesn't make sense
But then, maybe he *was a general.
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10/19/2001 4:42 PM
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>My dictionary shows that as secondary or obsolete.
no argument there. my ref. has a "1." next to it because it comes from OED2 (historical dictionary), meaning that was the original sense of the word. it has come to mean just the opposite. (ergo, enantiodromic :)
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10/19/2001 4:50 PM
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10/19/2001 5:16 PM
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Debussy?
More like Wagner, I would think.
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10/19/2001 5:34 PM
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>>Debussy? >More like Wagner, I would think. yeahbut. Wagner don' need no intensifier. 
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10/19/2001 5:52 PM
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Wagner don' need no intensifier.
Here I stand, bloodied but ungruntled.
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10/19/2001 6:14 PM
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In reply to:
Dear tsuwn[sic], I love it when you say, "...yet another enantiodromic word !" But sometimes tsuwn, you frighten me. Does every word have it's own word to describe it?
I wish!  enantiodromic came to pass because so many folks asked "is there a word to describe words which have two diametrically opposed meanings?" so we "transferred" enantiodromic. (enantiodromia - the process by which something becomes its opposite, and the subsequent interaction of the two: applied esp. to the adoption by an individual or by a community, etc., of a set of beliefs, etc., opposite to those held at an earlier stage.
[this is the usual process by which this happens. the other way is, well, coincidence; as when two words develop independently, such as with cleave (and cleave).]
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10/20/2001 2:03 AM
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10/20/2001 2:07 AM
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We don' need no steenkin' Wagner. PDQ Bach more like it.
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10/22/2001 3:48 PM
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Does it change anything if I say I now think it was Rumsfeld (he of the flashlight/footsteps metaphor) and not Ashcroft who uttered that flammable/inflammable pair?
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10/24/2001 5:24 AM
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Helpful to have a Chopin (Polish pronunciation) LisztGo hire the movie "Impromptu". If you are a fan of Chopin Liszt, Delacroix and Georges Sand - or even if you're not - you'll find this one of the funniest/saddest movies you've seen for a while. Added attraction is that it has Emma Thompson (drool, drool) in it! Oh, plus a bunch of other well-known English actors.  Now, is this a commercial? Have I offended anybody by suggesting that they should part with their dosh to hire a video? Do I care? 
The idiot also known as Capfka ...
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