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Affectus for feeling maybe.
Vir , by the way, is the Latin for man in the sense of adult male human. Does the fact that Latin carefully differentiates between the species and its adult males mean females were any better treated by a Latin-speaking community than they are today by English-speaking ones?
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Homo sapiens sapiens to differentiate us from Neandertal
To expand a little; some time ago modern man and Cro-Magnon man, considered the same species, were termed Homo sapiens and Neanderthal man was considered a separate species (but same genus) Homo neandertalensis. After some thought it was decided that we and the Neanderthals were the same species but different sub-species; thus Homo sapiens sapiens and Homo sapiens neandertalensis. I've been out of touch for a while but I believe that we have gone back to believing we are different species again.
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A general announcement: When most of us use "man" in the general sense of homo, we are surely using it as a shortened form of "mankind" or "hu-man-kind".
Can we please leave accusations of sexism in the agony aunt columns where they belong? We all know that English is an imperfect language. And long may it stay that way.
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When most of us use "man" in the general sense of homo, we are surely using it as a shortened form of "mankind" or "hu-man-kind"
Amen, Cap K. And when we specifically mean male human being we can use that good old English word wapman.
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accusations of sexism
for what it's worth, when i made the man\same remark i wasn't thinking in terms of gender or sexism at all. i was trying to ask about homo meaning man (or human, if you please) as opposed to homo meaning same.
I was also questioning the validity of using (hu)man to describe a phrase that in turn describes (hu)mans. i disapprove of that kind of circular logic.
it amazes me how difficult it can be for me to communicate my intent here. like the fact that my taste\flavour question was interpreted by most to be a question about water. sigh
EDIT Ok, in looking back at my post I see that the homosexaul example does make the human/male distinction. i didn't even realize i did that. thus the remark about my difficulty in communicating my intent...
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I'm so sorry, xara. Isn't that just like us tho' to toss it over our shoulder and run with it?
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doesn't homo sapiens sapiens indicate awareness of one's self awareness rather than a man who thinks he can think?. - Considering the results of his thinking activity, I wonder if homo sapiens sapiens is the first known example of an heritable pseudonym  .
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I wonder if homo sapiens sapiens is the first known example of an heritable pseudonym.For certain members of our species, who shall remain nameless, I do believe you may be right. Uh, you did mean the homo part, right? 
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Thanks, Jackie, for the words of the 'hippo' song. We have a 1966 LP record called "Oats and beans and barley: songs for children" which includes this song ( and has the extra verse which Gymkhana posted). It added much to my day to listen to this record again after many years. I suspect it never made it to CD. [originally Argo ZDA 44]
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