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10/10/2001 4:02 PM
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To my amazement, "bull bars" can be had in the US. An ad with picture may be seen at: http://ustruckaccessorieswhse.com/wes-main.htmlI can't understand any objection to them as presenting any additional hazard to victims of collision.
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10/10/2001 4:25 PM
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(May as well get in a spot of Kiwi bashing to make it worthwhile).....Jest another example of NZ not being able to survive without Australia around to prop it up folks.Oooooo, an invitation, an invitation! Just love 'em! We don't call them "roo bars" in Zild. They're "bull bars". And because we don't (in common with the rest of the world, note) have that many loose bulls around, it's actually short for "bullsh*t bars". In other words, they're used to ward off errant Striners staggering back to their hotels/motels/doss houses/park benches from the pub any night of the week. Thanks Stales, I owe you one! 
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10/10/2001 4:31 PM
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To my amazement, "bull bars" can be had in the US.
To your amazement? Bill, when SWMBO and I travelled across the States a couple of months ago, we saw the largest, fanciest and most ultimately useless sets of bullbars imaginable to man. And that was on every second damned ute we passed. Complete with longhorn skull and horns in a couple of memorable cases. If I hadn't been driving and had my camera ready, I could have enlightened you even further ....
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#43774
10/10/2001 4:41 PM
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they dramatically increased the injuries of a pedestrian involved in a collision with a car with bull bars fitted.
One of the Great Conundrums of Modern Life; by making our vehicles safer we make them more dangerous.
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10/11/2001 1:37 AM
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I response to original taste/flavour question... I think the difference may be in the way we use them.
I find I use flavour is most often used in two ways:
1) when describing the quality of what is being eaten. "it has a flavour reminiscent of cloves and thyme."
2) as a verb to signifying to add more taste or to season some food. "flavour a broth with cloves to make it a hearty and rich"
It is usually used in a positive sense. If it has a flavour, it’s good. Taste, on the other hand can be good or bad. Usually if something has a bad flavour we’ll say “this tastes bad.”
I don’t know if this helps you xara. My dictionary doesn’t make it any clearer as both words are used to describe the other.
(also, just to muddy the waters a little bit more, in my business, when we design a foam bath or shampoo, we create flavours instead of scents or aromas – I have NO idea why this is)
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10/11/2001 2:53 AM
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In the final analysis, Zara, there is only one difference between "taste" and "flavor" (or "flavour" as those of us outside the U.S. spell it). "Taste" can be used metaphorically, as in: "She has great taste in clothing." "Flavor" does not have the same versatility. One cannot have great "flavor" in clothing, unless, of course, the clothing is woven with cotton candy.
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#43777
10/11/2001 3:27 AM
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called "bull bars" in the UK. ... they became a little less fashionable when it was shown that they dramatically increased the injuries of a pedestrian involved in a collision with a car with bull bars fitted.i would call them cattle guards, and i can vouch for that statement about pedestrian collisions from person experience 
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#43778
10/11/2001 3:40 AM
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plutarch,
i don't know about that. you wouldn't have flavour in your choice of clothing, but you might have flavour in your life if you lead a very interresting one.
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#43779
10/11/2001 4:21 AM
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Yes, and you can have a flavouring of romance, as well, I concede. Maybe these flavour/taste metaphors, so different from one another, can help us to distinguish their forebears. Interesting, is it not, that words which are interchangeable when employed literally are not interchangeable when employed metaphorically?
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#43780
10/11/2001 10:50 AM
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(also, just to muddy the waters a little bit more, in my business, when we design a foam bath or shampoo, we create flavours instead of scents or aromas – I have NO idea why this is)
I've always used the word flavour to describe scented products. In fact, my husband is terribly allergic to anything scented, so we live in a scent-free household these days. However, when we're at the store and trying to choose between, say, "Sensitive skin Dove" and "Unscented Dove" I will ask him which flavour it is that he uses. Somehow the word fits the situation better. It's not just about the scent, it's the whole product - the texture, consistency, feel of it, as well as the smell. Like a flavour of ice cream, for example - it's not just defined by the smell. So we talk about flavours (or non-flavours, really) of soap and shampoo and deodorant in my house.
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#43781
10/11/2001 10:55 AM
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words which are interchangeable when employed literally are not interchangeable when employed metaphorically
Welcome, Pluto. Surely most language often takes a different flavour depending on context? And BTW, I bet some of your favourite bidding gadgets would seem off-flavour to me tho' be tasty little morsels to you!
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#43783
10/11/2001 1:42 PM
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WWH re: the "bull bar" url you supplied. Could I just say.... That's not a bull bar.......this is a bull bar: http://www.arb.com.au/ARB_Toyota_bull bars.htm (Look at the photos for the Lancruiser 75, 78 & 79 series - note the side rails as well). The US accessory in the pic is what we'd call a nudge bar. It's my personal preference to use "roo bar" for a light duty (often aluminium) affair installed as a replacement for a vehicle's standard front bumper. A bull bar on the other hand I reserve for the bloody great steel fabrications in the photos above. They're bolted to the chassis rails and sitting up to a foot forward of the grille. There's often a winch mounted in its base, a spare battery, 20 litre "jerry cans" of water and or diesel, spotlights, VHF antenna mount and sometimes a metalworking vise for those emergency repairs!! And of course - somewhere to hang the water bag! Serious items of kit - and dynamite on pedestrians, be they two or four legged. stales
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10/11/2001 5:15 PM
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Dr Bill:
When I was a kid, we had a lister bag that we filled with water and suspended in front of the air intake grille on our car. It was made of very tightly woven canvas, and just wept water slowly through the pores. The air rushing through the grille evaporated the water and cooled the contents of the bag quite a bit. Down to around 45 or so, which is pretty darned cold on a 90 degree day. I've always assumed that Lister was either the brand name or the inventor.
Here in the Denver area the temp difference would probably be even higher than it was in humid Virginia.
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10/11/2001 6:58 PM
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10/11/2001 7:11 PM
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a variant that requires no trenches to be dug
There seems to be a visual aspect to them; in Arizona they had some that were merely painted on the roadway.
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#43787
10/11/2001 9:18 PM
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There was a joke during Prohibition about the bootlegger who got so proud of his beer that he sent a sample to a testing laboratory, and got back a report: "Dear Sir: Your horse has diabetes."
I don't exactly get it. Were horses involved in beer making, or was it just bad?
(Hey, they used radiators.)
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#43788
10/12/2001 12:17 AM
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Cattle GRIDS in Oz.
I once saw a queue of sheep on one side of a grid, taking it in turn to jump across! They did it easily. Must admit, the scene did have a "Far Side-esque" look about it.
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10/12/2001 12:41 AM
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10/12/2001 12:53 AM
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Wordwind, stop, you're cracking me up, between Thfortunecookie and those ol' goats leaping to such heights to get at sweet young things.... On second thought, don't stop; just give me a minute to catch my breath... =========================================================== I once saw a queue of sheep on one side of a grid, taking it in turn to jump stales, how many did you count, before you fell asleep?
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#43791
10/12/2001 7:24 AM
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>I can't understand any objection to them as presenting any additional hazard to victims of collision. An article for you Dr Bill. http://www.motherjones.com/news_wire/bullbars.htmlI particularly liked the quote: "Nonetheless, in North America, the potential danger posed by bull bars has so far drawn little attention. Part of the reason is that the US and Canada have fewer pedestrians than the UK."I see what they are saying but I had the strange idea that we were all pedestrians at some point, they obviously have invented total drive to the door shopping and working in the USA .. no, on second thoughts maybe they have .. next research - obesity and exercise?
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10/12/2001 10:02 AM
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I had a 1968 Dodge van once that had the Mexican version of "bull bars", a 4"thick steel bar, front and back bumper. Once, backing up in the rain, I demolished the back passenger door of my Mother's brand new Lincoln. Ouch! And, while waiting in line at the International bridge in Juarez, I rolled into a Toyota Corolla. Poor taillights never knew what hit them. I don't have any vehicles with bull bars anymore. No profit in it.
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#43793
10/12/2001 11:48 AM
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Cattle GRIDS in Oz.
and down here, too, stales. But of course being a nation of tenderhearts, we build escape ramps for the hedgehogs and other small wildlife to escape from the pit....
Around here, the truly athletic critters are the Welsh mountain sheep - completely mad and fearless. They are brought down from the wilderness areas of their summer grazing for soft winter tack, and evidently can't believe their luck. I nearly drove off the road a while ago at the surprise of seeing a sheep balancing (all four pointy little feet together) on top of a fence post, looking at me as if to say "You lookin' at ME..?"
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10/12/2001 12:12 PM
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a sheep balancing (all four pointy little feet together) on top of a fence post, looking at me as if to say "You lookin' at ME..?"
You have GOT to be kidding me!...aren't you?
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10/12/2001 12:17 PM
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well, OK, it didn't have a very good De Niro accent, but hey... 
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10/12/2001 12:58 PM
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Hi, JimTD!
It figures that a post I reply to has to do with horse pee! My humor tends toward the bodily and the bathroom on occasion! But, the thought I had when I read the description, of "Sir, your horse has diabetes" was, the beer tasted like horse urine with sugar!
Speaking of horse, I just finished a Pat Conroy novel and came across a lovely phrase that I had never heard before...."let's make like horsesh*t and hit the trail!"
I had a good laugh over this, and vowed that if I use it in public it will be "make like road apples and hit the trail."
Cheers!
Marigold (need to read the info and learn how to do fun things like faces and colors!)
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#43797
10/12/2001 2:18 PM
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I like the flavor=good/taste=good or bad distinction, but I would add that "flavor" has a slightly euphemistic quality for me. Something described as "x flavored" may not come within shouting distance of "tasting like x" -- "Cherry (or Grape) flavored" medicines and sugar-based drinks like Kool-Aid, f'rinstance.
Comedian Denis Leary used to do a bit on NyQuil -- a popular and powerful cold/flu remedy. Back when other brands were trotting out all sorts of "flavors" that still tasted nasty, he loved that NyQuil stuck to its original "Green Death Flavor," as he called it. It also comes in nasty-tasting "Cherry" now.
I read a sci-fi novel years ago that was set in the not-too-distant future and featured a protagonist who was fond of "purple-flavored" breakfast cereal.
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#43798
10/12/2001 4:37 PM
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NY is home to the IFF-- International Flavor and Fragrance -- they produce, test, market flavoring agents.. and well as test product for flavor and (and taste) since taste buds can only taste, salt, sweet, sour and bitter, everything else is aromatic flavor.. sensed by the nose.. (which is why, when you have a cold, food is often "tasteless") In a HS bio class, we were fed apples and raw potato's --blindfolded, and with nose clips on.. you can't tell the difference between the two. all of the apple taste is aroma or fragrance-- plus sweetness and crunchiness-- which a potato also has.
and as for tasting purple, i don't know if there is such a taste- but red, green and yellow exist at flavors..
red is spicey, and some what hot on the tongue. where as green is cool, and fresh, and yellow is fruity..
and the difference between kool-ade and other better tasting flavors is time and money. artifical flavors don't have to be bad-- but good flavors, like good perfumes, are much more expensive. and in some cases, it just doesn't matter.. the chemicals that are the active ingredients give NyQuil its "green death flavor" and there is not much you can do to change that.. flavoring agents just mask it. no amount of money or effort could make it taste good.. so a "one note" cherry is as good as it gets.-- and thats not to good.
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#43799
10/12/2001 5:50 PM
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I read a sci-fi novel years ago that was set in the not-too-distant future and featured a protagonist who was fond of "purple-flavored" breakfast cereal.
Gisting a short sci-fi story (or a very long pun), also focusing on food:
On a far-future human-inhabited planet, the culinary art is deemed by far the highest art form, the acme of which is an annual planet-wide competition. Past winners are revered, and their creations immortalized, like the heroes of sport or myth. Since all food is synthetic, this competition is chemical as much as culinary, as the chef's struggle each year to develop new and proprietary flavorings.
The protagonist emerges as the stunningly unexpected victor in the annual contest, his dish wholley novel, his flavoring completely unique, representing a breakthrough such as occurs but once a century.
But "all heck breaks loose" when it is discovered that his new secret ingredient is garlic -- that is, a substance which to everyone's utter disgust and revulsion actual grows in dirt. What a revolting, literally nauseating thought: to have actually put something like that in one's mouth!
The protagonist is exiled from the planet in disgrace. For as the final sentence of the story states, his actions were simply not in good taste.
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#43800
10/13/2001 2:05 AM
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Keiva, that was perfectly dreadful! I loved it! You're giving Ted and Geoff a run for their money in shaggy dog stories. (By the way, guys, any time you want to write more, I'm game to read 'em.)
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#43801
10/13/2001 2:06 AM
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well, OK, it didn't have a very good De Niro accent, but hey...
And it was safe from stray Welshmen, too, no?
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10/13/2001 2:08 AM
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Hey, CK--beat you by five hundredths of a second. Nyah...  Nice dig, by the way. Good thing mav isn't Welsh.
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10/13/2001 2:24 PM
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I can tell the other USn's here that roo bars are necessary Down Under. Fifteen years or so ago I was on an overnight bus trip from Adelaide up to Broken Hill, sitting directly behind the driver. I was dozing when there was a thump that awakened several people ont he bus. The driver explained that he'd just whacked (at 100 kph or so) the biggest roo I've ever hit. When we got to the next stop, I took a look at the roo bar. It was a set of very heavy chromed steel tuves, and two of them had been bent back at least three inches by the impact. Lord knows what kind of damage we'd have had to the bus if it weren't for the roo bars.
By the bye, deer cause more human deaths in the US than any other species of animals, due to road collisions. I know a woman who hit an elk here in Colorado last year; the collision totalled her car but no one in the car was hurt. When they got to looking around the scene they discovered the elk had gotten up and wandered away.
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10/13/2001 2:33 PM
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I don;t know about climbing to great h8eights, but in my younger days I'd go to great length to get at sweet young things (and none of them would leave, he said boastfully.)
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10/13/2001 8:04 PM
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10/14/2001 1:06 AM
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Dear Wordwind: Since none of our Latin experts have answered you, I went into Internet to check my spelling, and found this:Lector: Hoc est dictum hodiernum: De gustibus non est disputandum.
This is the saying for today: Matters of taste are not to be quarreled about. But the really learned enjoy tormenting those who have forgotten their Latin by just saying "De gustibus....and all that."
So the esthetes rather than quarreling about food, just bolster their standing as wine snob and gourmet by mentioning far away restaurants and wine cellars. Deliver me from them O Lord! I have no desire to belong to Les Amis d'Escoffier.
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10/14/2001 1:15 AM
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1. De gustibus semper disputandum est.
2. De saporibus semper disputandum est.
3. De saporibus non disputandum est.
The following in honor of the 70th birthday of Winnie Ille Pu:
4. De heffalumpibus semper dubitandum est.
5. De gradiis semper dubitandum est.
POST EDIT
I originally wrote above that it's the 75th birthday of Pu and then changed it. I was right the first time; it is 75.
BUT: There's another anniversary to mark: MOnday Oct. 15 is the 50th anniversary of the first I Love Lucy show. Even more amusing and will certainly be as long-lived as Pu.
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10/14/2001 1:27 AM
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BobY, you might be a latin scholar but its greek to me. Care to translate? I do have one question for you animus revertendi, so to speak. Is it true that there are latin roots in Russian (as well as english, french, spanish and portuguese)?
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