#43378
09/30/2001 12:09 AM
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Somebody dropped what I suspect is a grocery list in our front yard, and I am wondering if anyone can tell me what language this is, and maybe translate. Beware of misspellings--the handwriting is difficult in places. Also, one z and one c have a line over them, and the j's are dropped a half-space, and I can't do that here. Ok:
krompir
paradaly (or) paradalz
hljeb
socovi
2 pkica
zvake
dana
nljeveni sir
kola
dus
ulje
salana
kaladont
1 banane
ono za posla
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#43379
09/30/2001 12:12 AM
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Pooh-Bah
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Slavik "certainly"
Guesses: polish, russian; lean toward latter
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#43380
09/30/2001 12:27 AM
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I searched for "krompir" and found it on site of Serbian TV and Radio
Krompir mi je uvek bio
omiljena tema.
Ja ga smazem iz tanjira,
Uvek bez problema.
But I can't tell you what it means. Now I'll see if I can find a Serbian dictionary.
So I downloaded a Serbian-English dictionary, but I can't make it work. sob,sob.
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#43381
09/30/2001 12:36 AM
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old hand
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bosnian/serbian/croatian - they're all very similar krompir potatoparadaly (or) paradalz parade/pageanthljeb loafsocovi 2 pkica zvake dana nljeveni sir some type of cheesekola probably coladus ulje fatsalana kaladont toothpaste1 banane banana?ono za posla I used http://translation.langenberg.com/. The word guesses are a combination of what the translator spit out for serbian and croatian. Since it didn't match either entirely, it's probably bosnian.
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#43382
10/01/2001 3:16 PM
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There used to be a site which I used frequently which was perfect for this purpose; it would identify a language for you: http://idris.com/lingwhat/lingwhat.htmlWhile this is still listed if you google it, it's been maybe 2 years since I could get this to open, so I suppose that it's no longer an active site. Maybe one or another of the techies in our community could investigate and see if this still a good site, or, if not, if maybe it could somehow be resurrected. I know many of us would find it most interesting and useful.
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#43383
10/01/2001 3:27 PM
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There is no language known as "Bosnian". Serbian and Croatian are so similar they are considered one language, Serbo-Croatian, or Srps-Hrvatska as it calls itself. Croats write it in the Roman alphabet, Serbs in the Cyrillic.
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#43384
10/02/2001 5:10 AM
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BYB, your URL simply doesn't work. There is, currently, no such address.
The idiot also known as Capfka ...
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#43385
10/02/2001 8:03 AM
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Pooh-Bah
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<<serbian and croatian are so similar they are considered one language
BYB: this is an actual question and is not meant as an obnoxious reply [gesture of friendship emoticon]
I remember hearing, while living in Germany in the early 80s, a couple of stories from people who, while visiting Yugoslavia, spoke Serbian to Croats, the effect on whom was extreme. These may have been the apocryphal travel tales of tourists who, finding insufficient adventure in their real-time wanderings, sought it out in the telling. Or banish the last sentence and say if these tales are not, in fact, just embellishments, they suggest there *is a substantial difference between the two languages. What might that difference be?
IP
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#43386
10/02/2001 1:40 PM
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...a substantial difference between the two languages. What might that difference be?
Sometimes the difference between a dialect and a language is difficult even for linguists to ascertain. For example. some consider Macedonian to be a separate language, some do not. It has been said that a language is a dialect with an Army. This is what might be termed by some, a half-witticism. There are what are considered separate languages that are more closely related than British and American English. If there are severe political/ethnic differences between two groups that have closely related speech patterns members of those groups may resent folks using the linguistic behaviours of the other group when speaking with them. Whether this is sufficient to call them separate languages on a dispassionate linguistic level *should be irrelevant but may raise hackles anyway.
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#43387
10/06/2001 5:44 PM
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difference between the two languages. What might that difference be?
I've no direct personal knowledge on Slavic languages, but my dad worked in what was then Yugoslavia for a few years, and he lent me a phrase book published by Collins that confirms the general outline like this:
There is no actual “Yugoslav” language; in fact the major tongue of the country is Serbo-Croat, Serbian being written in Cyrillic and Croat in Latin characters. There are slight differences between these two languages but the traveller need have no fear of being misunderstood when [speaking].
As a matter of interest, Serbian is spoken in the eastern and Croat in the western parts of Yugoslavia. Two other minority languages exist; one is Slovenian which is similar to Croat and also written in Latin characters and is encountered in the north-west regions. The other is Macedonian which is half-way between Serbian and Bulgarian and, like Serbian, is written in the Cyrillic characters and used in the far south.
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#43388
10/06/2001 8:11 PM
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Serbian being written in Cyrillic and Croat in Latin characters... Serbian is spoken in the eastern and Croat in the western parts of Yugoslavia.
Mav, could this historically trace back to the split-off of the Eastern Orthodox Church from the Roman Catholic Church? Is the geographic boundary-line between Serbian and Croatian located roughly in the same location where the political boundary between this two religious groups lay?
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