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09/26/2001 12:36 PM
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I'm not altogether pleased with the Caesar dressing recipe I normally use
Keeping it within the statistical variance of the drift of this thread, have you tried ketchup?
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#42808
09/26/2001 1:23 PM
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I remember having read that Caesar's troops complained during the campaigns about having to eat too much meat, and not enough vegetables. I wonder what kind of salad Caesar offered them, and what besides olive oil for dressing.
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09/26/2001 2:37 PM
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Bill, I doubt very much that Caesar's troops ate salad. So far as I can ascertain, salads were invented in the middle ages as something to fill your gut and keep off the pangs of starvation whilst fasting; they were not viewed as providing any significant nourishment, hence OK to eat on a fast. This is mentioned in the Decameron, I believe (going from memory) in the story about Alibech & Rustico. Salads then consisted of field greens dressed with salt (only), which is where the word "salad" comes from.
I believe the Caesar salad was named for the proprietor of a New York restaurant or night club, but don't know who off hand. Helen - can you help here?
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09/26/2001 3:42 PM
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I had some vague recollection that Caesar salads were reputed to be of Mexican origin. The following link, which appears to be a discussion of words on a food site (imagine!), provides details. http://www.uta.fi/FAST/US8/SPEC/foodfolk.html
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#42811
09/26/2001 3:45 PM
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Dear BYB: And do you mean to tell me that Caesar's troops did not have table cloths, napkins, plates, and silverware including salad forks? Of course the passage I referred to said only that they wanted vegetables, and I wondered what kinds would have been available to them on campaign.
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#42812
09/27/2001 4:13 PM
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I don't know of any info. from Roman times about what rations were handed out to troops, although I dare say there are some experts who do. We know that Caesar's troops were usually on the move, so my assumption is that they did what armies usually did then and for the next 1800+ years: live off the land. So I would suppose that in Belgia, they enjoyed endives (or the ancient equivalent), cabbage in Germania (maybe sauercrautum ?). After they invaded Britannia, perhaps they used the native crops and plants to create bufo in foramine and Ricardellus maculosus?
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#42813
09/27/2001 9:56 PM
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My Latin is nothing compared to my Spanish, and yet why am I sure that these dishes are the near famous figgy pudding and the dreaded spotted dick?
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#42814
09/27/2001 10:40 PM
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As a hyla, I can spot a ranid relative regardless of language: that bufo is a toad-in-a-hole.
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#42815
09/28/2001 1:15 AM
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Well, at least I was half right. Story of my life.
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#42816
09/28/2001 4:59 AM
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Hmmm - I could've sworn I tapped out a reply to this post today - but it's not present (well , at least I can't see it - apologies if I've done this twice then...)
In keeping with the original request:
pavlova
wellington boots
mackintosh
furphy (see last week's discussion)
macadamia nuts
macadam (oldsters' word used in Oz for a tar sealed / bitumised road. Attributed to Sir John MacAdam - the same guy the nuts are named after)
stales
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#42817
09/28/2001 8:05 AM
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>After they invaded Britannia ...
It's such a shame that they never made across to Las Vegas, they would have had such fun with the slot machines. I'm sure that they wouldn't have minded losing a few denarii.
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#42818
09/29/2001 1:10 PM
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still trickling in....
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#42819
09/29/2001 8:37 PM
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Isn't kechup a phonetic of the original (tomato) catsup?
Now....where do we go with that?
As for chuney, I prefer Major Grey's Chutney. Wasn't there a real Major Grey ... a sorta' Brit version of Colonel Sanders ... who served in India and introduced bottled chutney into the commercial market in England ?
My Indian friend tells me there are many home recipes for chutney, varying with the region of India one is in.
And wasn't Caesar salad "invented" by Caesar Ritz the chef-hotelier? As were a bunch of othe dishes that are "a la Ritz?"
There! getting back to the named-for thread very neatly I thought!
Oops ...
And what about Ritz crackers. Argggh!
just keepin' the pot on the boil, folks!
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#42820
10/01/2001 4:39 PM
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As I was glancing at the obituaries this morning, a name struck me that belongs here: Zimmer or Zimmer frame, known to USns as a "walker" (portable support for the elderly or infirm). Which term, or what term, is used in the antipodes and places other than UK and US?
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#42821
10/01/2001 5:40 PM
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#42822
10/03/2001 10:19 AM
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As a Canadian, I use the word "walker". (But I don't need one for myself, just yet.) Never heard Zimmer before, but that's what the Board is for! 
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#42823
10/03/2001 11:05 AM
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Zimmer...that's what the Board is for! mutual support? framing the innocent? holding up real life?
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#42824
10/03/2001 1:01 PM
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re: Zimmer...that's what the Board is for!
isn't zimmer the german for room(s)? (an inn keeper is a zimmerman, ja?) so i can get room and board here?
we do make everyone welcome, and we are open all hours of the day and night and goodness knows there is always food about!
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#42825
10/03/2001 5:53 PM
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To bring things back to center - guillotine.
Perhaps we should limit the products to exclude things that have their own designation but form a subset with a proper name - which would accept Macadam the paving material but disallow Macadamia nuts, since there are plenty of nuts of other sorts.
Lots of physical constants were named for people, too: ampere, ohm, volt, watt and such are so much part of the language that they don't even get capitalized any more, and many elements (especially the newer ones) have people's names too. But of course they aren't products, strictly speaking. Or even loosely.
And don't forget that a lot of names came from things, rather than the other way around. I G Farber, for example, likely has someone back in the past being a merchant working with colors, etc; Steins, Woods, Coopers, Millers, even Smiths all have names with identifiable origins. Though there's always the possibility that some names were assigned arbitrarily at immigration centers...
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#42826
10/03/2001 6:48 PM
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and then there is also Hobson's choice--and theories.. a suspect a favorite around here would be the Red Queen theory
and would we include a King's truss? (a type of truss used commonly for bridges, especially for bridges built by the "crown". so its not named for any particular king (as least none that i know of). (a former resident of Kingsbridge Road-- named for the colonial bridge on the same.)
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10/03/2001 10:41 PM
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10/04/2001 2:27 AM
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Perhaps we should limit the products to exclude things that have their own designation but form a subset with a proper name - which would accept Macadam the paving material but disallow Macadamia nuts, since there are plenty of nuts of other sorts.
So "macadam paving"would be out and "Macadamias" in.
But of course they aren't products, strictly speaking. Or even loosely.
Strictly speaking, they *are products, but they are probably not commodities[?]
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10/04/2001 1:51 PM
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Oh Helen, I burst out laughing when I saw your post about Zimmer. It reminded me of one of the great film classics, the scene in the Peter Sellers movie where Clouseau comes into the inn and tells the innkeeper he wants a rühm. The innkeeper, after getting him to repeat this a couple times says, "Zimmer!" Clouseau checks his pocket dictionary and says, "Yes, you idiot, that's what I said : Rühm!!" This is followed by the immortal dialogue which begins, "Does your dog bite?"
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10/04/2001 1:52 PM
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Max has right. Zimmermann means carpenter; innkeeper is Gastwirt(in). Bei mienem Wörterbuch.
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#42831
10/04/2001 2:04 PM
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as noted elsewhere, many from other states and nations are assisting NY with the recovery.
this morning on the way to work, i saw a giant crane on truck heading downtown. the truck had the company name painted on the side panel.
All Erections and Cranes--
Thank you, Cleveland Ohio.. in more ways than one!
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10/04/2001 3:09 PM
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A Chicago company, very well connected politcally, specializes in excavating and grading the land for large real-estate projects. Their slogan, appearing on billboards, is:
Palumbo Brothers: We Make the Earth Move
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#42833
10/05/2001 1:20 AM
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BYB writes: "So far as I can ascertain, salads were invented in the middle ages as something to fill your gut and keep off the pangs of starvation whilst fasting; they were not viewed as providing any significant nourishment, hence OK to eat on a fast."
And Oct 2, in The Wall Street Journal: "Don't count on many bonus bucks this year. That's the clear message from numerous companies in the automotive, airline...and other badly battered industries...Those salad days are over." [emph added]
Or are they just beginning?
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#42834
10/06/2001 4:14 AM
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I've never heard of 'salad days' apart from when some friends decide to go on a diet. Am I to assume by the quote Insel that it means 'good times' as in times where you are making good money.
How did this come about?
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10/06/2001 6:40 AM
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The use of "salad days" is fairly old, if I remember correctly. It was in use amongst the haut ton during the Regency period, and generally referred to those "carefree" years/months/weeks/days between coming out (being introduced to society) and getting married. And, FWIW, here's a reference from Google: http://www.boston.com/globe/columns/freeman/salad_days.htmSorry for the analysis, but you can all blame teresag. She started it ... 
The idiot also known as Capfka ...
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10/06/2001 1:39 PM
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shakespeare: "my salad days, when I was green in experience". or something of that sort. Haven't yet LIU. Edit:: Ah, Jeez! I see it's in the above URL. Sorry. Hey, why am I apologizing? No fair googling, CapK, until we've had the fun of picking our own brains! 
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10/07/2001 4:22 AM
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No apology required IMHO. I merely wished to verify that the usage I believed I knew was correct and that it would have been used in the period I understood it to have been used in.
I don't remember ever hearing the expression used in conversation. These days it seems to be pretty much a literary term. I wanted to point out that that wasn't always the case.
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10/07/2001 11:23 AM
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I know of it only because, in college, my roommate's girlfriend had stumbled upon the phrase and loved it. She often referred her current age as "her salad days", meaning (to her) the days in which she intended to garner experience. I never had the nerve to ask whether the salad was wilted.
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10/07/2001 11:27 AM
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and it was the name of a very successful, but light, musical theatre piece written by Dorothy Reynolds and Julian Slade in 1954.
"Maybe I'll wait till I'm too late,
But I shall have waited for one good reason.
Here in the sun, the sun, the sun,
I might be in love by the end of the season."
"We mustn't look back. No, we mustn't look back.
Whatever our memories are.
We mustn't say these were our happiest days,
But our happiest days so far."
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10/07/2001 1:39 PM
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I don't remember ever hearing the expression used in conversation. These days it seems to be pretty much a literary term.
I use it all the time. Meaning from about the ages 18 to 24.
I hear it, too. It is taken as meaning carefree days, before adult responsibilities became the ruling factor.
Nobody asks what I mean (and beieve me, my chums will ask) so I presume that the meaning is generally understood to be as mentioned above.
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10/07/2001 2:40 PM
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I think the replacement phrase for salad days these days is---"back in the day". I liked this phrase when I first heard it and use it a lot. Too much, some say  .
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10/12/2001 11:04 PM
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Cracker Jack isn't named for anybody, inventor or otherwise. Per Symbols of America, by Hal Morgan: Cracker Jack, the popcorn and peanut candy, was named from the slang term CrackerJack, for excellent, which had entered the language in 1896. The candy was first made by FW Rueckheim, a German immigrant in Chicago, who opened a popcorn stand in 1872. The business first sold CrackerJack at the Columbian Exposition in 1893. It was marketed in the Sears catalogue in 1902, and became part of song lyrics in Take Me Out to the Ballgame in 1908. The little boy in the sailor suit on the package was modeled on Rueckheim's grandson, Robert, and the dog after the boy's dog, Bingo. Robert died of pneumonia soon after the new box with him on it appeared in 1919.  Per Webster's: A "Cracker Jack" is a person who does something especially well. It is descended from "crackaJack," a rhymed compound from "crack" when used as an adjective for excellent.
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10/13/2001 1:54 AM
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Ann, thanks for reminding us of the origins of Crackerjack. I had heard it before and was glad to see it again. What a sad ending. It's sort of the reverse of a story about a dog and his master who died. I have read that there is a statue in Edinburgh of the dog, whose name I have forgotten (Robbie?) Perhaps Jo can enlighten us.
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10/15/2001 5:57 AM
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I remember the dog was a Scottie called Greyfriars Bobbie, who lived in Edinburgh. When his master died Greyfriars Bobbie spent the rest of his life lying on the grave except when he was making the rounds of local restaurants who fed him. I think this was in the 1880s but I'm not sure of the exact date.
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