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On account of strategic considerations, I would not normally engage; however, I think it is worth reiterating (I am sure) what those considerations are.
These gentlemen are employing one of the sheister's oldest techniques, the hegemony of grassroots dialogue through outrageous pronouncement. Did I not wish to offend his memory, I would say PT Barnum would be proud to call these noballs his sons. It is worth resoundingly denouncing what has been said, but one should be cautious in giving it traffic.
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If as you say, wordcrazy, he makes a habit of attacking and then apologising as a calculated ploy to get publicity, then he obviously deserves no credit for it. I haven't followed his career very closely, so I can't say more than that.
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maverick>>>>
Perhaps I should articulate one other view: this is not an American discussion board, being addressed to Americans. It is international, both by Anu’s intent and by its participants’ practice.
and if I may add, this is not the time to be parochial.
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Perhaps Falwell's statements and the fallout from them is the beginning of the second stage of the grieving process - looking around to find people to blame close to hand. I suppose it's possible that a country can react, en masse, as individuals tend to do.
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Tsuwm,
True, this is a word site but any site is nothing without the people in it.
Something quite traumatizing happened last week. People needed to discuss it and this is the place we chose - why, because we have become friends and there is great comfort among friends.
I'm sorry if you are angered by this tsuwm and I really wish you would see the underlying factor behind all these posts. People need to talk it out.
True, this is not a chat room but where is it written that the boundaries cannot be smudged a little for the well being of several individuals. The eternal question isn’t it…what is more important… “the needs of the few over the needs of the many OR the needs of the many over the needs of the few.” (Personal opinion…I think there is no real answer and that it depends on the situation.)
The threads have mostly managed to stay in the I&A section so as not to trouble anyone wanting to avoid the subject and if you notice, the volume in the other sections has started to get back to normal.
"This too shall pass." Wise words indeed.
Xara sweetie. I know that these times are trying but I ask you one favour (yes even though I have no right to). Please look back over the year you have been here. You’ll see that Maverick, CapK, MaxQ and the rest of the guys are really great people and not prone to racism, elitism, religionistic or nationalistic bashing. They are great guys.
It is so easy, and understandable, to misinterpret a tongue-in-cheek post or comment when in a state of tension. And isn’t everybody in a state of tension these days. People are trying to come to terms with what happen and what is about to happen and many are afraid. There is no universal truth Xara but there is one truth you can set your hat on…the guys here are good people. If you feel slighted send them a note. I am sure they will clear it up and you will find it was a misunderstanding.
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OH MY GOD.... someone's gonna bomb Norway? nooooooooo....... [hands flat on cheeks mouth open e].
It must be possible for Anu to create one Major category called Politics and Religion. The desire seems to be there, the content is already here, and I believe it would be an appropriate symbol in the light that the world will never be the same and the specificity of the words require their own spot.
It is, assuredly, a step outside of the box of words that was intended here... but I'm sure that this box of words requires a bit of growth to include whole sentences... some of the oldest formations and ideas that drive and steer any and all word usage (even being apolitical and areligious ones... in theory).
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tsuwm>>>>
"......of these viewpoints are now being discussed 24 hours a day here in the US on CNN, talk radio, op ed pages, etc."
First of all, I prefer this forum because there are no commercials here.
Second of all, I like to hear from "ordinary" human beings whose only agenda is to share what they have seen in their corner of the world, in the hope that other people can take it and add to their collection of information from where they can glean the truth. The more learned ones can shine their light on it and where there is a flaw maybe clarify it for some of us. This is happening here and it can only be beneficial
Third of all, I trust the people here.
I feel lucky to have this refuge.
belMarduk>>>>>
Something quite traumatizing happened last week. People needed to discuss it and this is the place we chose - why, because we have become friends and there is great comfort among friends.
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i apologize for my comments yesterday. i found something that seemed appropriate which i wanted to share, but by the time i'd gotten through just a couple of threads here all i had read was how american foreign policy is crummy, and how that there are idiots who go on television and say idiotic things and make "us" all look bad. it just made me mad. i certainly wasn't in the mood anymore to share my little quote. i know that this isn't an american board. the reason i felt the need to defend myself as an american is because everything i'd read seemed to shed poor light on "us." unfortunately it seems that whenever i say anything around you guys it comes out wrong. i know you guys are all good people. i didn't _mean_ to say anything to the contrary. i shouldn't have said anything at all... my apologies regarding my statement that i didn't think that we'd end up in a military conflict without proper justification, i seem to be wrong, as the planes have already been deployed... 
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i found something that seemed appropriate which i wanted to share, but by the time i'd gotten through just a couple of threads here all i had read was how american foreign policy is crummy
Xara, what I think those of us from outside the US, plus a few of us who live in the US, were trying to point out is that American foreign policy is essentially selfish - as is the foreign policy of any country - and that some of the decisions made in regard to it have not been, and were not intended to be, benign. Again, as with all countries, some US foreign policy is good and some is very, very bad. And I was also trying to point out that policy is one thing, the carrying out of that policy by the American armed forces is another, entirely. War is, after all, the extension of diplomacy by other means.
The major issue in this thread has been, at least from my point of view, trying to make you USn guys see why not everyone loves you and how something like the attack on the WTC and the Pentagon can happen. Those of us in the West (under US hegemony!) accept that not all US foreign policy decisions are going to be altruistic. How could they be? As an example, you may or may not remember that New Zealand is theoretically still out in the diplo-military cold because of its "no nuclear ships" policy. I think Zild accepts this as being a US decision which is completely understandable in the context of American foreign policy. We certainly didn't take it to heart and start burning American flags in the streets. Friends can disagree with each other.
Personally, I was shocked and angered by the attacks last week, as were most of us I would imagine. But surprised? No, not really.
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Can we all agree on at least this much:
1) Although there are no excuses for last week's atrocities there are reasons for it, which may be worth exploring to prevent a repetition.
2) As a superpower the USA has acted more benignantly than certain other countries would have.
3) The USA is not made up of saints and has not always behaved perfectly in an imperfect world.
4) Every country has its unrepresentative crackpots who get far more than their fair share of media attention.
OK take it from there and please try to maintain a certain degree of civility. When emotions are running high and tempers are getting frayed is surely the time when civility is most important. If a bunch of linguaphiles can't disagree in a civil manner what hope is there for the rest of the world?
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