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#42039 09/28/01 12:05 PM
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Draper was used in the 60's by my nana in ireland, to describe dress shops. a draper was a better quality shop, (and echoing Bingley here,) would custom make dresses, or stock fancy items rather than the "off the rack" or ready manufactured clothing. so drapery would much more likely be evening clothes, or other fancy attire. so it was used your side of the pond at one point Jo. it might be old fashioned.


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'a draper was a custom dress shop'

And "to drape" is still used, in theater at least, to mean custom fitting costumes.


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the sense to remain silent

Like when she wants to know if that dress makes her look fat?


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Like when she wants to know if that dress makes her look fat?

I think you still have a little to learn about dealing with women and clothes, mon ami ...



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The Parson's wife goes shopping and returns with a new dress and models it for her husband.
Parson : "My dear, it is lovely but you really shouldn't have bought it.
Wife : I know dear but I couldn't resist the temptation.
Parson: Didn't you remember to say "Get thee behind me Satan?"
Wife : Yes, dear, but the old Devil said "It looks lovely from the back, too"


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<<the old Devil said "It looks lovely from the back, too

the savy devil will think twice before saying that; he may never sample the goods, but he'll always keep the view


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a draper was a better quality shop ... would custom make dresses

This came to me overnight :
In dressmaking sometimes the designer would drape the customer with the fabric to see how fabric "draped" and whether or not the color suited the customer.
Additionally sometimes tailors would (will) drape a model with muslins from which a pattern was cut.
The word "muslin" - in the world of couture - has two meanings 1. the fabric itself; and 2. the designed garment made up in a muslin fabric, sewn with stiches easily pulled out, leaving the pieces perfectly fitted to the person which is then used as a pattern for making up the garment in the more expensive fabric.
Muslin is a finely woven cotton fabric, usually a sort of ecru color, which (I believe) is sometimes used as an inter-lining in hand crafted men's suits.
Whew! See what you learn when you have a friend who worked on Seventh Avenue?

For non-US'ns 7th Avenue, New York City, is the heart of the Garment District.

AEnigma wants "men's" to be menace. Hmmmmm. Perhaps it is just men in drapers' shops?


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I think we have to look at the meaning of "material" apart from the word "witness" to understand the term "material witness" properly. "Material" is used in legal documents and evidentiary law to mean the opposite of "immaterial". For instance, we often hear the expression "at all material times" meaning times which are relevant to the facts and issues in dispute or subject to examination. There is a latin expression which bears mention in this regard: de minimis non curat lex (or "de minimis" for short). Translation: "The law does not concern itself with trifles." A "material witness" is one who has more than trifling or "immaterial" evidence to present to the court.


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Would a ghost be an immaterial witness?


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