#40926
09/08/2001 10:41 PM
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My impression of |UK usage is that "oh" is the most common form. Some older people still use "naught". "Zero" is the least common usage, although there are some signs that it is becoming more fashionable.
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#40927
09/08/2001 11:20 PM
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Yes, in Zild the use of zero is, oh, all for naught.  I'm a bit lazy verbally, and I can often mix "zero" and "O" up when reading out my credit card number.
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#40928
09/10/2001 2:02 PM
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Certainly in the case of a credit card number, it's assumed that what you will be reading off is all numerals so there's no ambiguity nor is there any other digit for which the oh might be confused. In that context I would worry more about five and nine being confused.
I did once fluster one of these new voice recognition programs that was helping me order a telephone book by pronouncing 3 as thu-ree. By the time it had found itself back to some sort of order it had decided that my request for one phonebook was really a request for 236 phonebooks. It took me a bit to doing to disabuse it.
Still waiting for the phone police to come knocking at my door at 3 in the morning to arrest me for telephone disabuse
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#40929
09/10/2001 4:29 PM
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> Still waiting for the phone police to come knocking at my door at 3 in the morning to arrest me for telephone disabuse
If you were on your wireless, this might count as cell(f) abuse.
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#40930
09/10/2001 5:18 PM
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> ...in most areas, the telephone charged extra for touch tone service, even though it saved them a ton of money...This reminds me of the stories I still occasionally hear of (typically) elderly people who have been renting their phones for *years* at the rate of $50 or $60 annually, when they could have purchased one at Target for $15. My parents still had a rented rotary phone in the late 80s! Sheesh Mom & Dad - catch up with the times! You're making me look like a square! 
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#40931
09/12/2001 1:03 PM
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all numerals so there's no ambiguity nor is there any other digit for which the oh might be confused.
Back when I was learning German, I was taught that when giving someone a phone number or other series of numbers, one should pronounce "zwei" (2) as "zwo" to avoid confusion with "drei" (3). Is this really done, or is it some old-fashioned relic, or some overly-specific affectation (like spelling cat Charlie-Alpha-Tango)?
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#40932
09/12/2001 7:48 PM
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Who among you use it?
What specific, if any, context?
When did it start?
Where did you get that usage?
Why?
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#40933
09/12/2001 7:53 PM
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Zed << Greek zeta
Where you get zee from?
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#40934
09/12/2001 8:41 PM
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Saying zed differentiates quite nicely from c, now that I think about it.
zed ted
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09/12/2001 8:53 PM
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When first heard it, thought it was "A to Dead'and it took seeing title on the Street Guide the hotel deskman was consulting.
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#40936
09/12/2001 9:14 PM
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09/13/2001 5:18 AM
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I've always used zed. Shakespeare used it: "Thou whoreson zed, thou unnecessary letter." (King Lear Act 2, Scene 2)
It's also called zed in Indonesian, so I assume that it's called zed in Dutch. It must have been the US that changed.
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#40938
09/13/2001 8:11 AM
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In German, ...when giving ... a series of numbers, one should pronounce "zwei" (2) as "zwo" to avoid confusion with "drei" (3)
Certainly true when I was working in the IT industry in Germany 25 years ago. Caught me out the first time I heard it. I am sure I have heard and used it since with Germans without comment.
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#40939
09/13/2001 1:25 PM
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Zed is actually® a bit reactionary, tracing as it does back to the Greek. Zee would be from the more progressive Latin name, ze, prononuced /zeh/ before the Great Vowel Movement©.
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#40940
09/15/2001 3:13 PM
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Okay, what is >>intra-LATA as well as inter-LATA
LATAs are Local Access Transport Areas, which are geographic regions that roughly correspond to telephone area code regions. In the telecommunications industry, long distance telephone calls between LATAs are known as "interLATA" calls, and local long distance calls sent and received within a single LATA are known as "intraLATA" calls. Utilities regulations allocate the privilege of providing local, intraLATA long distance, and interLATA long distance services among the telecommunications providers, and whether you are making a call inter- or intra-LATA will thus affect who carries your call, how much you are charged, and whether you need to dial the area code or any access number or not.
For a discussion of how LATAs affect direct dialing parity (not likely, but just in case you are interested...) see In re Complaint of MCI Telecommunications Corp, 240 Mich App 292; 612 NW2d 826 (2000).
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#40941
09/16/2001 12:37 AM
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Yup, definitely Zed here in Canada too (in both French and English)
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09/17/2001 11:29 AM
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Where you get zee from?
A great stroke of forward planning by the US so it would rhyme with Vee in the song!
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#40943
09/17/2001 1:45 PM
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A great stroke of forward planning by the US
Like unto the Great Lefties' Revenge in setting up the automobile driver on the left side of the vehicle knowing full well that, eighty some odd years down the line drive through ATMs would require the driver to use the left hand to operate them. Or either squirm around in the seat awkwardly, one.
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#40944
09/17/2001 3:09 PM
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Or either squirm around in the seat awkwardly, one.or emigrate to a civilised country, other. 
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#40945
09/17/2001 3:48 PM
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a civilised country
What? Blatant and systematic discrimination against a minority is civilized?
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#40946
09/17/2001 5:24 PM
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minorityyeahbut® I'm gonna emigrate to the land of the tree and the grave
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#40947
09/17/2001 6:39 PM
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the land of the tree and the grave
That'd be the land of the tree and the home of the grave
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