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Previous Thread Next Thread Print Thread Page 2 of 6 1 2 3 4 5 6 Re: Hawaii - in the beginning #40389 09/02/01 04:55 PM Joined: Nov 2000 Posts: 3,439 New England, USA W wow Carpal Tunnel wow Carpal Tunnel W Joined: Nov 2000 Posts: 3,439 New England, USA James Mitchner's book "Hawaii" is a good read and the opening tells of how the islands were formed by volcano eruptions from the ocean floor. Another book, much regarded in Hawaii is Gavan Dawes book "Shoal of Time" sub titled "A History of the Hawaiian Islands". which begins with Captain Cook's "discovery" (ahem*) of the islands. Published by The University of Hawaii Press, Honolulu, 1968, still in print. ISBN is 0-8248-0324-8. The paperback published by arrangement with The MacMillan Company. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter #40390 09/02/01 07:17 PM Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 3,409 M Max Quordlepleen OP Carpal Tunnel OP Max Quordlepleen Carpal Tunnel M Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 3,409 Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter #40391 09/02/01 07:29 PM Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 3,409 M Max Quordlepleen OP Carpal Tunnel OP Max Quordlepleen Carpal Tunnel M Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 3,409 Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Hawaiian voyaging #40392 09/03/01 01:02 AM Joined: Nov 2000 Posts: 3,439 New England, USA W wow Carpal Tunnel wow Carpal Tunnel W Joined: Nov 2000 Posts: 3,439 New England, USA Alert : Might not be the post for those with no interest in Hawaiians and Maori As an interesting aside, the Northern Cook Islands are almost exactly equidistant from Hawaii and Aotearoa. Ahhh, now that interest me. Perhaps they went there first and from there to Hawaii? I spent some time browsing through my Hawaiiana but didn't find anything off hand ...but a mid-point voyage then to Hawaii seems logical ?? Food for thought. Max : To save others from further maundering by me on this subject, I will Email you with anything I run across ... after I pay the bills, straighten the house after the long weekend, get to the bank, shop for groceries ... You get the idea (also known as : don't hold your breath.) P.S. Geoff : you did ask... Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Languages without Diphthongs? #40393 09/03/01 01:29 AM Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 618 Australia D doc_comfort addict doc_comfort addict D Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 618 Australia Nicholas informs us that ...Oosaka and Tookyoo and Yokohama and Aomori are all four beats. While the 'o' sounds may be long in Osaka and Tokyo, I would be hesitant to pronounce them as two separate letters as appears to be suggested. Tokyo is written in hiragana (the basic Japanese script) as to-o-kyo-o, but the individual 'o' adds length rather than a new sound. It should possibly take as long to pronounce as the others, but I query its 4-syllable pronounciation. (I'm hoping I've interpreted the original post correctly and may well have no idea what I'm talking about. /disclaimer-e) Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Hawaiian language #40394 09/03/01 01:36 AM Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 618 Australia D doc_comfort addict doc_comfort addict D Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 618 Australia My understanding was that both early New Zealanders and early Hawaiians are descendant from a common ancestor (or group more likely). Archaeological evidence suggests that the Pacific Islands (such as the Cook Islands) were colonised well before both NZ and Hawaii. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter #40395 09/03/01 01:55 AM Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 3,409 M Max Quordlepleen OP Carpal Tunnel OP Max Quordlepleen Carpal Tunnel M Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 3,409 Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Hawaiian voyaging #40396 09/03/01 06:02 AM Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 3,065 Jakarta B Bingley Carpal Tunnel Bingley Carpal Tunnel B Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 3,065 Jakarta Wow, as one who has always appreciated your posts, may I hope that you and Max will keep this correspondence going on the public boards because I for one am finding it very interesting. Max, I forget the details of Thor Heyerdahl's work (it was getting on for thirty years ago I read Kon Tiki (aka Kong tilde to Aenigma at least) but I thought his thesis was precisely that Easter Island had been settled by the island peoples crossing the Pacific before the Europeans reached it and that they were the ones who had raised the statues. What are you objecting to in that? Bingley Bingley Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter #40397 09/03/01 06:49 AM Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 3,409 M Max Quordlepleen OP Carpal Tunnel OP Max Quordlepleen Carpal Tunnel M Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 3,409 Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Japanese syllables and morae #40398 09/03/01 08:29 AM Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 393 London N NicholasW enthusiast NicholasW enthusiast N Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 393 London While the 'o' sounds may be long in Osaka and Tokyo, I would be hesitant to pronounce them as two separate letters as appears to be suggested No, I wasn't suggesting that: to clarify, Tookyoo is two syllables, Oosaka is three, and Aomori and Yokohama are four; but in Japanese the mora or beat is more important than the syllable. The first of a double consonant is also a beat: so Ni-p-po-n is four beats, same as Yokohama. 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