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Previous Thread Next Thread Print Thread Page 2 of 2 1 2 Re: language #40091 09/12/2001 12:48 AM Joined: Aug 2001 Posts: 2,605 Keiva Carpal Tunnel Keiva Carpal Tunnel Joined: Aug 2001 Posts: 2,605 Sorry I can't do better, Bingley; my information is from a TV show of several months ago. At least I can say it was a serious show (PBS?), and not one of those pseudo-science productions. But you can believe this: had I seen no such show I'd have no idea that there is such a thing as a hyoid bone! Perhaps google can help; there can't be too many entries on "hyoid". Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: language #40092 09/12/2001 2:13 AM Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 10,542 this too shall pass tsuwm Carpal Tunnel tsuwm Carpal Tunnel Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 10,542 this too shall pass >there can't be too many entries on "hyoid". only 3780 for "hyoid bone"! Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: language #40093 09/12/2001 2:19 AM Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 618 Australia doc_comfort addict doc_comfort addict Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 618 Australia I think there's more to speech than just the hyoid bone. Neanderthal man (and woman) had, in comparison to today: a different shaped (flatter from memory) palate a larger tongue a larger jaw higher (as in nearer the top) vocal cords less well developed (hence less controllable) musculature in the oropharynx and nasopharynx And of course they had much less to talk about... Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter #40094 09/12/2001 2:28 AM Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 3,409 Max Quordlepleen Carpal Tunnel Max Quordlepleen Carpal Tunnel Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 3,409 Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: language #40095 09/12/2001 4:44 AM Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 3,065 Jakarta Bingley Carpal Tunnel Bingley Carpal Tunnel Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 3,065 Jakarta I confess. One reason I wanted more information was because I didn't know what the hyoid bone was. Bingley Bingley Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: language #40096 09/12/2001 5:22 AM Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 3,065 Jakarta Bingley Carpal Tunnel Bingley Carpal Tunnel Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 3,065 Jakarta The following link summarises (not too technically) pro and con arguments on Neanderthal speech: http://sapphire.indstate.edu/~ramanank/language.html Bingley Bingley Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Speaking of Hyoids #40097 09/12/2001 12:40 PM Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 Faldage Carpal Tunnel Faldage Carpal Tunnel Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 13,803 139 when you add speech. http://www.google.com/search?q=hyoid+neanderthal+speech&btnG=Google+Search Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Speaking of Hyoids #40098 09/12/2001 12:55 PM Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 3,065 Jakarta Bingley Carpal Tunnel Bingley Carpal Tunnel Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 3,065 Jakarta ... including [sigh] Date: Sun Jan 9 00:19:27 EST 2000 Subject: A.Word.A.Day--hyoid X-Bonus: Dictionary: A malevolent literary device for cramping the growth of a language and making it hard and inelastic. This dictionary, however, is a most useful work. -Ambrose Bierce (1842-1914), [The Devil's Dictionary, 1906] hyoid (HIE-oid) adjective Of or relating to the hyoid bone, a U-shaped bone at the base of the tongue that supports the muscles of the tongue. noun The hyoid bone. [New Latin hyoides, the hyoid bone, from Greek huoeides, shaped like the letter upsilon : hu, name of the letter upsilon + -oeides, -oid.] "Even the discovery in Israel a decade ago of a Neanderthal skeleton with a large hyoid bone, which is in the throat and associated with speech, had not settled the issue of Neanderthal speech." John Noble Wilford, Early man had the ability to speak, The Dallas Morning News, 4 May 1998. This week's theme: words for miscellany. Bingley Bingley Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Speaking of Hyoids #40099 09/12/2001 1:41 PM Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 10,542 this too shall pass tsuwm Carpal Tunnel tsuwm Carpal Tunnel Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 10,542 this too shall pass >139 when you add speech. my work here is done. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Speaking of Hyoids #40100 09/12/2001 3:17 PM Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 11,613 Louisville, Kentucky Jackie Carpal Tunnel Jackie Carpal Tunnel Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 11,613 Louisville, Kentucky my work here is done. Well, stick around anyway, okay? Your presence is wanted, here. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Re: Speaking of Hyoids #40101 09/12/2001 7:23 PM Joined: Nov 2000 Posts: 3,439 New England, USA wow Carpal Tunnel wow Carpal Tunnel Joined: Nov 2000 Posts: 3,439 New England, USA Re Neanterthals and other early mankind Then there are Jean Auel's books if your talking fiction as science. Copy Link to Clipboard Share Post on Facebook Share Post on Twitter Page 2 of 2 1 2 Moderated by  Jackie  Hop To General Topics ------  Information and announcements  Q&A about words  Wordplay and fun  Words and languages in schools  Miscellany  Weekly Themes  Looking for (writers, speakers,... (Old) Weekly themes. 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