#36929
07/29/2001 6:38 PM
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OK,we all know the line from Shakespeare
"Romeo,Romeo,wherefore art thou Romeo?"
but does anyone actually know what it means translated into modern-day English?Send me a private message with your answer.
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#36930
07/29/2001 7:34 PM
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#36931
07/29/2001 8:15 PM
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Not sent privately:
I consider it to be "Of all the names you could have, why does it have to be Romeo!"
(I always did like the name Mercutio, but I've not the guts to try it on my children; I might give Lysander a try, though).
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#36932
07/29/2001 9:11 PM
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... that "Vixy" not be taken at face value.
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#36933
07/29/2001 9:25 PM
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Why not, AnnaS?..don't you believe in super-precocious 11 year olds? Remember Mozart!  Welcome to the Board, Vixy, if you really are who you say you are! Or could this be another incarnation of the Great Mav-Arch, with a bio to go with it, yet?
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#36934
07/29/2001 10:06 PM
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No, I *really think you are off target, here, guys! Check out Vicki's website, then answer her question with more respect [salute] 
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#36935
07/29/2001 10:22 PM
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It appears that nobody on the board so far is any better at understanding Shakespeare than vixy is.I haven't seen the text for sixty years. I wonder if she was expressing unhappiness that one was a Montague, and the other a Capulet.
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#36936
07/29/2001 11:01 PM
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Dear Vixy: Have I got a site for you. (yours was nice.) I found a place where Romeo and Juliet is analzyed and explained for students. Turns out I was right about what Juliet's speech meant. So, here is URL to the site where you can learn more if you wish, with some pertinent parts of the analysis. http://www.gradesaver.com/ClassicNotes/Titles/romeoandjuliet/act2.htmlIn the fifth scene the lover's share a sonnet which uses imagery of saints and pilgrims. This relates to the fact that Romeo means Pilgrim in Italian. It is also a sacriligeous sonnet, for Juliet becomes a saint to be kissed and Romeo a holy traveler. One of the remarkable aspects of the play is the transformation of both Romeo and Juliet after they fall in love. Juliet first comes across as a young, innocent girl who obeys her parents commands. However, by the last scene she is devious and highly focused. Thus, she asks her nurse about three separate men at the party, saving Romeo for last so as not to arouse suspicion. Romeo will undergo a similar transformation in the second act, resulting in Mercutio commenting that he has become sociable. Romeo has meanwhile succeeded in hiding beneath Juliet's balcony. She appears on her balcony and, in this famous scene, asks, "Oh Romeo, Romeo, wherefore art thou Romeo?" (2.1.75). She wishes that Romeo's name did not make him her enemy. Romeo, hiding below her, surprises her by interupting and telling Juliet that he loves her.
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#36937
07/29/2001 11:21 PM
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Yes, Vicki, I am sure the other guys have parsed this correctly. She is saying (in literal translation to modern idiom) "Why, of all things, did you have to be Romeo..." [and therefore a Montague and my family enemy]... This is, after all, the speech that goes on to examine "What's in a name? That which we call a rose/ By any other name would smell as sweet [.../...]Art thou not Romeo and a Montague?" So she is trying to disentangle her attraction to this boy from the family antagonism and conflict his name represents. But did you know all this anyway, and were just teasing us?
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#36938
07/30/2001 12:10 AM
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yeah,I did know.I was just seeing if anyone else knew.and you're all right,she was lamenting the fact that he was a Montague.hey,thanx about the site.....im a novice but anyways.I'll check out that site!!!!!and by the way,I dont know all that much about Shakespeare.I get most of it from my friend.she really knows Shakespeare.....im into Einstein more.No,really!!!!!
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#36939
07/30/2001 12:14 AM
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.....and as for AnnaStrophic.....I'd like to be friends,but if not.....?what can I do about it?im used to being rejected.being in a gifted class,me and m'mates are the village group of idiots.technically speaking.even with the teachers.....SO glad im out of that school now.....
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#36940
07/30/2001 12:33 AM
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Dear Vixy: AnnaStrophic was remembering some of the guys playing jokes. They played one on me, pretending to be a newcomer, and tricked me into protesting when they were rude to the supposed newcomer. So AnnaStrophic thought possibly it was another joke. I had fun looking up that Shakespeare site for students. Hope you found something interesting in it.So ask us some more questions.
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#36941
07/30/2001 12:39 AM
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aw,tanx.ok.lets see.....kesstions.....hmmmmm.....
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#36942
07/30/2001 12:43 AM
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I cant remember any more questions like that,but i could do lateral/logical thinking stuff?
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#36943
07/30/2001 12:57 AM
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waitasec:heres another word related one:do any of you(and I do,not to brag)know the meaning of the word:
antidisestablishmentarianism
?????reply here or send a message,Vic
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#36944
07/30/2001 12:58 AM
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m'mates Hmmm...does this sound suspiciously like a Brit affectation in a self-proclaimed Canadian to anyone else? Now I'm a-wonderin' again...mates! Dear Vixy, I sincerely hope you are a very gifted young lady who, as such, would be a treasure and an asset to have around here! So please don't take any of this jovial banter personally...a thousand welcomes! However, as Dr. Bill says, we have been suckered-in to phantom arrivals before, so that's why we joke about it! and if this is some gargantuan hoax, whoever came up with it has waaaaaaayyyyy too much time on their hands! "Mav-Arch, Mav-Arch, O wherefore art thou, Mav-Arch?"
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#36945
07/30/2001 1:15 AM
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*sigh*i can only wish i were a Brit.....
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#36946
07/30/2001 1:26 AM
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Boardmembers, I have just toured "Vixy's" Beatles website and it seems to be a spoof or bogus site contrived through a company called CitySlide that specializes in "60 Second" Websites by offering a series of clicks for you to pick generic selections "teensite,"/"fansite", etc....and, presto! If you look through all the messages and guestbook, and ridiculous photo entries, they're all something out of a Mad Magazine parody! And there is one HUGE CLUE! A messageboard poster called "Alien" has a post up called FACES, and it is a pictorial spoof of.....EMOTICONS!!! WHO HATES EMOTICONS MORE THAN ANYBODY ELSE ON THIS BOARD,......
M...................A.....................V.....................E......................R.................I...................C.....................K?!!!!!
I'm afraid he got'cha again, Dr. Bill! ........Mav-Arch, I rest my case!
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#36947
07/30/2001 3:07 AM
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#36948
07/30/2001 3:24 AM
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>do any of you(and I do,not to brag)know the meaning of the word: antidisestablishmentarianism not to turn this into a fatuous fanfaronade, or to act (as the kiwis might say) the skite, I even know the meaning of pseudoantidisestablishmentarianism (yart!!) , joe blustered boastfully. p.s. - mav, you have only yourself to blame for the current reaction (unless, of course, this is what you wanted... in which case, shame on us 8)
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#36949
07/30/2001 3:44 AM
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#36950
07/30/2001 10:59 AM
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how an 11-year old obtained a hotmail account, when one must be at least 13 years old to qualify.I'm assuming that's pretty easy - she could lie! I looked at the websites too, and I can tell you, at least, that the I-AM-CANADIAN line is from a popular beer ad campaign which is going on in Canada these days. So at least that is authentic! Let me look around and find the link for the I-AM-CANADIAN ad, it's pretty good. Edit: Here is a link but it is SLOW. I wasn't motivated enough to wait, especially since I've seen the ad on TV plently of times:
http://www.adcritic.com/content/molson-canadian-i-am.html
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#36951
07/30/2001 1:05 PM
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>we simply "skite"
are you tellin' me that I tried to noun a kiwi verb?!
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#36952
07/30/2001 1:13 PM
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If I have been had a second time, I don't really mind. The price of avoiding it would be to ignore all newcomers, and I think that is too high.
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#36953
07/30/2001 3:03 PM
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07/30/2001 3:06 PM
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And thank you.I'll give you any proof I can,but it is still your choice whether to believe me or not.
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#36955
07/30/2001 4:29 PM
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<EG>
you're all gonna be sooooo sorry one day....
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#36956
07/30/2001 4:56 PM
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Spartacus came to a bad end.
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#36957
07/30/2001 4:58 PM
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>...came to a bad end.
who amongst us doesn't?!
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#36958
07/30/2001 5:07 PM
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Time to repeat our credo: Eschew obfuscation. May pranksters experience painful agenbite of inwit.
Subject:
today's wwftd is... agenbite of inwit
Date:
Mon, 30 Jul 2001 11:14:36 -0500 (CDT)
From:
wwftd master <mikef3@cfsmo.honeywell.com>
To:
wwftd minions <tsuwm@aol.com>
the worthless word for the day is: agenbite of inwit
from "The Ayenbite of Inwyt" a 14th century treatise
on the "again-biting" of the inner wit, the remorse
of conscience; borrowed by Joyce and made a part of
Leopold Blooms's character in _Ulysses_ (he used it
"at least eight times", according to Words@Random).
-tsuwm http://members.aol.com/tsuwm/
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#36959
07/30/2001 5:45 PM
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Ok folks, I have to say it: We are soooooo weird (huge s)
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#36960
07/30/2001 6:17 PM
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... thy name is AWADer.
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#36961
07/30/2001 6:58 PM
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07/30/2001 7:11 PM
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IM SPARTACUS!!!!A very deliberate, and well-chosen, image! Don't you see, folks? This is the climatic scene in the movie where Kirk Douglas (Spartacus) is just about to reveal himself to the Roman authorities for execution when another soldier stands up and proclaims, "I'm Spartacus!" Then another, " I'm Spartacus!", and another, starting a chain-reaction until hundreds of soldier-captives stand claiming, "I'm Spartacus"...thus saving the real Spartacus from execution! Every little move seems to be calculated here, folks, like a chess match...it's amazing! He could just as easily have said, "I'm the Man-in-the-Moon" or "...the Mad Hatter," but that doesn't fit, don't you see? And I haven't looked, but I'll bet the Beatles site has undergone some recent rapid changes in light of recently aired "clues"...O such subterfuge for gamesmanship! By the way, I, for one, am NOT Spartacus!...to the gallows with the fugitive, I say!
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#36963
07/30/2001 9:17 PM
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Another nauseating example of the movies re-writing history in an absurd way. The encyclopedia makes it clear that the Romans killed and crucified every goddam one of the escaped slaves.
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#36964
07/30/2001 9:31 PM
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Well. I'm NOT Spartacus, either. Ha!!!!
consuelo
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#36965
07/30/2001 10:39 PM
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#36966
07/31/2001 2:00 AM
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What's all this then? Nobody here is Spartacus but me!
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#36967
07/31/2001 1:16 PM
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String 'er up, m'mates!
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#36968
07/31/2001 1:25 PM
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Crucifixition was the preferred practice. Rope was in short supply.
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